I have a dilemma.

I guarantee my hybrid gets much better fuel economy in its current spec (heavily kitted) than a non hybrid with the same build. I drive it around town and try to keep it in hybrid mode as long as possible and brake for Regen- makes a huge difference. The power is there for towing, passing, flexing on fools

 

I have a '23 PRO with a hybrid and love it. While I can't say it will net any fuel savings, I have noticed that I was in hybrid mode 100% of the time when I was last downtown with gridlock traffic. What I can tell you is that it is a fun engine.

 

That's pretty much exactly what I get with my Double Cab Limited. So your mileage is definitely better considering your truck is heavier, taller, and has more aggressive tires.

 

I was dead set on a hybrid tundra or f150 powerboost for over a year.

Someone shared this with me and it changed my tune completely https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/savemoney.jsp

You can plug in the vehicles, set your annual mileage % of highway and freeway, put in your local gas price, and also put in purchase costs, set how many years you will keep the vehicle, after doing this it was crystal clear the markup on hybrid vehicles dont make sense. I couldnt believe it, but it makes sense once you put in purchase costs and actual fuel costs and see it play out in long term.


This is a 2022 4x4 tundra vs a 2022 4x4 tundra hybrid, over a 10 year ownership span operating vehicle A (non hybrid) saves you $5580


You do save $142 on fuel costs annually driving the hybrid vs the non hybrid, or 12 dollars monthly (yea a few gallons saved)



This shows cumulative in a graph


I was hunting all over california finding deaelrs that would sell hybrids with 0 markup, found like 4 of them, but then realized hybrid will never make sense. Also do note these figures are with paid in full cash prices of $57k and 64k. If you financed and pay interest, its gonna only get worst (you can plug that into the calculator as well) but I was paying all cash.

 

Great work! Love seeing actual data. Thanks for the calculator link

 

Why does your calculation show the hybrid costing $7k more than the non-hybrid? The hybrid upgrade cost looks closer to $3k.

 

If you want the hybrid then tell the dealer you will do at MSRP plus a few hundred in the typical add on packages (tint, ect). If the dealer wont remove the $4700 mark up move on. You can check Toyota.com inventory by zip (within a couple hundred miles or so) and will tell you all the inbound trucks (and now which dealer) and you can reach out to the various internet desks. Also check on Facebook for the 2022 Tundra no mark up group and 2022 Tundras for sale. There are numerous dealers on those sites at or close to MSRP. FWIW seems like the northwest and north central parts of the country have some of the best pricing as well. Worst pricing seems to be the Southwest (New Mex, Cali).

 

As Boats N TRD’s said, that doesn’t make sense at all- the hybrid is what like $3,400 extra, not $7k.

again going back to my statement, if you plan on lifting your truck, putting on bigger tires and adding weight the hybrid will absolutely get superior fuel economy vs the non hybrid when moving that weight around daily.

 

Looks like the dealer tried to be greedy but it worked out for you.

 

I think he’s including the “green” add on charge as well as the hybrid option as that’s what OP is telling him he has to pay if he wants the hybrid from that particular dealer. Regardless, the hybrid is never going to pay for itself in fuel savings or long term resale. Additionally, it will have more resale value. However, after 150k miles the value is going to lessen as next buyer has to look at the cost of sourcing replacement batteries. Which may be very, very expensive due to mineral shortages and battery demand.

 

The hybrid being only a $3k option, sure if you can find one. Its usually minimum 6-12k since they are equipped very nicely usually.

The hybrid doesn't make sense in this platform for what Toyota wants you to pay, as long as you guys are happy with the purchase is all that matters. The increase of hybrid and getting the 3-4 gallons of fuel saved monthly (80 free electric miles) never really balances out for the increased purchase price being asked imo.

It rarely works out even for plug in versions of hybrid cars (dependent on their premium increase).

Now naturally aspirated cars compared to hybrid - the calculator makes sense and you break even and start saving $ in a few years, but this trucks hybrid premium price increase = makes no sense, and strictly a hurry up and add it into the market imo, this hybrid was jointly developed for powerboost and iforcemax by Ford and yota.

 

You're completely missing the point of a hybrid Tundra. People aren't buying it for the economics. They're buying it for the extra 50HP and the 100 lb ft of torque. They're also buying the smoothness in the driving experience. The extra 1 mpg in fuel savings is just a little bonus.

 

lol, whatever floats your boat, you literally sound like a car salesperson..... you can argue the hybrid is better towing vehicle, but the hybrid doesnt tow more, and the regular tundra can't tow the weight unless you get a hybrid option that gives you that extra 50hp and 100lb. Sorry you cant see that the hybrid on this tundra is just a gimmick by yota. And people dont buy a hybrid for smoothness and driving experience - thats just you trying to be a salesperson for your own purchase and trying to convince other buyers.

Imagine on the lot the salesperson tells you - you should buy a hybrid tundra cuz the nonhybrids arent smooth and have horrible driving experience vs the hybrid..... LOL


check the weight limits if you dont believe me, you can stop defending your purchase, I dont care and already stated - if your happy thats all that matters.

The hybrid limited does tow more, a whopping 10 lbs LOL, the trdpro is 15 more lbs, and the capstone with all the other extra crap on it drops to 10340.

 

I only paid an extra $3,300 for the Hybrid over the gas. For the extra 50HP and 100lb it is worth it to me. Some people pay more than that in aftermarket products for the same gains.

I even got a couple of freebees...While inspecting the truck after we made a deal, I noticed the dealer had already installed protection on all the door edges and inside the door handles. The next day I noticed the value steam caps were green and say nitrogen on them. The dealer had filled the tires with nitrogen.

 

This is one of those threads that sounds suspiciously like the “TRD Pro is not worth the extra money. My SR5 TRD Off-Road can do 99% of the same stuff,” of old.

In most cases true…basically all true, but the SR5 owner would get a Pro in a heartbeat if the price was right.

For what it’s worth, I have been in the market since Toyota started throwing teaser pics in the summer 2021. I’m still waiting with a possible light at the end of the tunnel next month. These trucks are only going to become more plentiful and the extra costs in waiting may even out in negotiation.

I strongly advise against paying over and I strongly advise against "settling" for whichever version of this expensive ass truck you don't really want. Economy is too uncertain to bank on trading it in within the next 24 months or whatever.

*Damn, late to the party and you were successful, congrats OP.

 

Well, as someone who has owned both a TTV6 3rd gen and now a hybrid, I feel I'm probably more prepared to discuss the driving differences between the two than most. Have you driven a hybrid Tundra? I'm guessing not since you're just throwing out numbers. You obviously do not have any real world experience here. If I needed to buy another truck, I would not buy a TTV6. It's nice enough, but wouldn't buy after my experience. Have a nice day.

 

I have similar experience as you. I didn’t own the non-hybrid but did drive one for a few days as a rental. And I agree the hybrid power train was smoother and better to me. All this discussion is stupid to me. To some people it’s worth it, to some people it’s not worth it. Period. There is no reason to sit here and tell one side of the fence they are wrong. What is much more valuable in my opinion is sharing experiences on the actual driving experience and then letting someone else make up their mind about if it’s worth it to them. If you’re happy with the non-hybrid, great. If you’re happy with the hybrid great. If you’re not happy with either great. Just my $.02