Hybrid Ike Gauntlet max towing

Im not saying a 3.0L can make 400+ hp. I know they can.

What I am saying is that they wont be able to make big numbers like that under continuous heavy load. Like towing 10k up the ike in the middle of the summer.

 

I agree. I would always take lower RPM torque.

But you also don't know that an Ecoboost isnt making 479 at 2400 rpm. The peak is just at 3000.

 

I'm curious about an Expedition as a successor to the Sequoia. Expedition is 3.5 only but it does have a lot of cargo room and IRS. Maybe gets 2-4 mpg better across the board compared to the 5.7l Seq. In the mountains what I've seen on youtube is the TTV6's drink fuel at about the same rate as the 5.7.

I'm having a hard time seeing something that can top this '19 Sequoia for versatility, capability and reliability. I have to buy used and I don't trust GM, Ford maybe. We'll try to get 300k miles and then evaluate.

 

I guess we will find out. The Wagoneer L with the standard output Hurricane is rated for 10,000lbs towing and weighs right around 6000lbs by itself.

The Grand Wagoneer L is rated for 9450lbs of towing and is a porky 6600lbs. So essentially identical GVWR/total mass ratings.

I notice the air to water intercooler on the high output Hurricane is quite large, and both the high output and standard output benefit from the intercooler living on the cool side of the engine, not sitting on top of the engine getting heat soaked by rising heat.

It will ultimately come down to the cooling package.

 

No fulltime 4HI option is lame. I thought that was a no brainer for the 3G.

 

Agreed.

Frankly since it’s the same engine, transmission, and frame as the 300 Series Land Cruiser I don’t understand why the entire driveline of the Land Cruiser is not offered for those willing to pony up the $$$.

 

Just saw a new expedition getting loaded onto a flatbed on the side of the highway yesterday. True, I don't know the circumstances....
But, my coworker bought the new expedition right when it came out, it had tons of issues. Finally the transmission failed while he was on a road trip, so the dealership or Ford took the expedition back. And he loved the SUV so much he got a new one. He's a Ford guy, said it was the worst Ford he ever owned, but the second one hasn't had any big issues, seems Ford figured it out....or it's just the Ford lottery?

 

Plus as demonstrated over and over again with these forced induction 6’s, they don’t need to rev up to sustained peak power to tow a 10,000lb trailer.

 

That hurricane motor needs to be put into the Wrangler and the Gladiator.

 

Or a Dakota revival

 

Well unlike Toyota; Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge/Ram have demonstrated they will gladly cram the biggest engines they make into any engine bay that will take the engine.

So your desires might be granted at some point.

 

That doesn’t mean it’s a good idea, but they subscribe to the horsepower makes everything better theory of design.

Executive: “Oh, this Neon will probably be a death trap if we put a 300HP I4 turbo in it?”

Engineers: “Well if we make it AWD maybe not…”

Executive: “No no no, this thing has to hit a price point. Just cram it in there and leave it FWD.”

Engineers: “We’re also working on a project where we put a 700+ HP blown V8 into an old Mercedes-Benz E class hand me down platform from the Daimler-Chrysler days…. it will pretty much try to murder all of the customers who buy it. On the plus side they’ll give us lots of money before they die.”

Executive: “YES! Do it! Make it now!”

 

I think any vehicle built during this time is questionable if it sits on a factory lot for months waiting for parts. I'm waiting until 2024 if I can hold out.

 

Correct, but per your own post, that 3.0 is having to run 22 psi. A 3.5 Ecoboost or iForce only runs like 15 psi peak and tapers down to 12 or so up top.

Thats my point. This engine has a very high specific output in a truck application. If you are near peak torque at 3000 rpm then you are running 22 psi. All the crap that everyone says makes GTDI's no good for truck applications(heat, stress, bad MPG's, etc etc) is even more true for the 3.0.

 

Putting AWD in the SRT4 probably would've made even more dangerous!

 

Totally agree. I do think Toyota is doing slightly better, but I've been looking all around at all kinds of vehicles, and, anecdotally, they all seem to be having pandemic era related issues. Even if the vehicle had a poor reputation before, it seems worse now.

 

I don’t subscribe to the theory of high cylinder pressures somehow being the end of the world for an engine that is doing work. If the engine is properly designed to handle high cylinder pressures, and the materials are up to the task it shouldn’t be an issue.

The Hurricane uses a closed deck block for example, whereas the V35A-FTS and EcoBoost both run open decks. The closed deck is such an advantageous setup for dealing with high cylinder pressures that the aftermarket offers custom sleeved closed deck EcoBoost blocks for a lot of $$$.

Plus we’re not talking about some huge difference in displacement either. At 2993cc it’s only 13% smaller than a 3445cc iForce, and 14% smaller than a 3496cc (3.5L) EcoBoost.

Meanwhile the Hurricane benefits from being an inline 6, with a stronger closed deck design no less. So it should have stronger cylinder walls than it’s two rivals. On the bottom end the Hurricane benefits from 7 cross bolted main bearing caps to spread all the rod thrust over, a big advantage over the V6 with only 4 caps. Plus each connecting rod has its own rod journal on the crankshaft, so that journal only has 1 rod putting force on it.

Then consider the fact that as an inline 6 the Hurricane has inherent primary balance, unlike a V6. So the Hurricane is running smoother with less vibration, and no need for a counterbalance shaft eating up spare power.

Also there’s less to go wrong. Only 1 head and head gasket. The timing set is shorter and less complicated. Only two cams, and cam phasers.

Frankly this is the engine Toyota should have given us. Maybe a 3.2L by essentially scaling up an inline 6 version of the GR Yaris/GR Corolla engine and tuning it for truck duty. There’s no shortage of space under the hood, and an inline 6 is superior at everything aside from packaging and packaging isn’t an issue here.

If Toyota made the exact same engine with the exact same specs as the Hurricane and released it first we would all be creaming our pants over it, and there would be virtually no one lamenting the V8’s departure.

 

that's a hell of a post, good one!

 

LOL, maybe.

The average SRT4 buyer would have used the extra traction to NOT torque steer directly into the ditch at 35 MPH, bending the car and their pride. Instead with their new found rally car traction, absurd power, and lack of skill they would have instead attained triple digit speeds by the end of the strait, and hit the trees on the outside of the curve at 108 MPH killing themselves.

 

Just the Torsen center diff carried over from the 2G Sequoia wouldn't add much to MSRP. It's a head-scratcher why they happily carried it on into the LC300 but not into the 3G Tundra and Sequoia. To be fair the Big Three from what I've seen it's only the higher trims that get Auto 4HI. The beauty of the 2G Sequoia IMO is the base SR5 has the multi-mode Torsen Tcase. Cloth seats, only 6-way power driver seat, no power passenger seat, but has the multi-mode Tcase.

I kinda panicked when fuel prices went up and thought I'd look at comparable vehicles to the Sequoia with better mpg. I looked at Fuelly.com and the Expedition does get consistently better mpg than the 5.7l, but mpg doesn't amount to jackshit if it has to be towed 100 miles with a trailer hooked up. The Yota V8 drivelines just go and go and go.

I'm thinking the best path is do regular maintenance on the '19 and the '07 4.7l and try to get Victor Sheppard 700k miles from them.