Hybrid Ike Gauntlet max towing

There’s needs, and then there’s wants. I do need enough power to comfortably pass dawdling tourists 2-4 cars at a time on two lane highways in the hills with relatively short passing zones and sight lines.

Plus I suffer from adult juvenile delinquency syndrome. Being afflicted with this syndrome means I despise anything that isn’t capable of spirited acceleration at a minimum. The base model engines in just about any truck to me are an unacceptable option from the standpoint of driving enjoyment.

The last time I drove a new Silverado with the 5.3L V8 I was utterly disgusted with how gutless it was.

I’m not going to buy a new truck that doesn’t tick every box I can afford it to tick.

 

I was very cynical about the hybrid Tundra before real world testing was being done.
The battery pack is just too small to help during towing. It can only occasionally jump in for assist, and only a few times before being depleted. And the drivetrain can only recover energy at a limited rate, just because you brake with a heavy load doesn't mean very much energy is going back into the battery pack.

The hybrid Tundra is perfectly suited for the upmarket move, to make the truck more refined, torquey and bling out with the extra badges. Bump up the profit margin for Toyota.

I think the 3.4TT in Sr-5 and above is 99% as good as the hybrid. I wouldn't even bother until Toyota makes a Tundra Prime.

 

I’m not even convinced that either powertrain offering is really anything but a mid pack also ran in the segment. Waiting 15 years for 8 horsepower, and 78lb-ft of torque is freaking lame. Toyota half assed this one pretty bad.

 

The 2.7L Ecoboost is just as fast as the Tundra according to motor trend. 0-60 and 1/4 for both trap speed and E/T. Thats why the 2.7L is so damn awesome. It does everything very well from MPG's to acceleration. Unless you need sheer towing grunt or are chasing 1/4 mile times, I don't think there is a better half ton motor.

If you want a fast truck the Tundra isnt it. The GM 6.2 and Ford 3.5/Powerboost will both blow its doors off. Even the Hemi probably would until you get to higher elevation. I seem to recall a TFL video where the Hemi gave the tundra a run for its money at 5000'.

But yes, the 5.3L is the last half ton motor I would pick besides a NA V6.

 

Can the 2.7EB be optioned with Auto AWD?
That's the biggest gripe I have with the Tundra....

 

I will wait for the Ram to get the I6 Hurricane next year and test drive some stuff. I suspect that engine will be pretty enjoyable to drive.

Anything I buy will get an extended warranty, and there’s a Ram dealership just as handy to get to as the Toyota store. Unfortunately at this point Toyota limits build options to a degree that I can’t accept, while Ram, Ford, and GM will generally build what you want if you can wait.

 

I thought I saw a test of the high output hurricane getting that oversized, heavy Jeep SUV to 60 in 4.7
That's phenomenal

 

Yup.

Put that HO Hurricane in a Ram 1500 with 4Auto or a Torsen full time 4WD 2 speed case, and you have my undivided attention.

 

Agree'd. The hurricane in the Ram will be a winner. Literally the only thing I don't really like about Ram's(although I dont hate either) is the engine. I really like everything else about them. I have had a lot of seat time in them as rentals traveling for work.

 

tend to agree, Im going with the regular tundra as I don't want to pay more, lose my underseat storage, have added complexity and more shit to go wrong in a truck with a suspect launch as it pertains to typical toyota QC we expect.

Im just not seeing the benefit, just my .02 or $3400, ha!

 

when will that be in the Ram? 2023 ?

Id consider another one with that as well, my 2013 was a nice truck

 

I remember when some of the hybrid specs were released, it almost sounded like we'd be getting a Prime Tundra, PHEV Tundra would be sweet. Pretty disappointed when full details became available, especially when I saw how small the battery pack is (to be fair it's big enough to completely hog all the space under the rear seat).
The EV motor in the Tundra is sufficiently powerful IMO and could benefit from a much larger battery pack.
However, I'm a bit concerned we may never get a PHEV Tundra Prime seeing as how Toyota didn't make accomodations for a larger pack within the frame, very disappointing that the pack ended up under the rear seat, they'll never be able to get enough battery in that small space (using current battery tech) for a more effective hybrid setup.

 

this is where we differ a bit.

I do not want a full plug in truck, the technology just isnt there for truck duties. hauling and towing range is pathetic. I want to be able to tow my boat 600 miles in a day without recharging for long times on the way.

Where I think toyota missed the boat on the hybrid is they didnt take advantage of it and offer power on board and other useful things for a truck. Also, the set-up they have just doesn't seem to do much from what Ive seen. I think the extra weight and limited battery power kinda killed the advantage.

if they added more truck things, like on board power, or other innovative hybrid truck things then maybe it would be better.

 

Hmmm.....
I think you are unaware of how nice Toyota's Prime rav4 is?
You can plug it in, or let it recharge itself like a normal hybrid.
It'll move under EV only, if you want it to, for more than 50 miles, and in EV only mode it is plenty powerful. There's a switch to select between EV only, hybrid, and a 3rd mode, I forget.
When/if you deplete the EV, it still has the Rav4's biggest engine option to rely on.
And in hybrid mode it's the fastest (or was) Toyota you could get. (Supra is a BMW).
You have excellent driving range.
It has been Toyota's most popular vehicle for a while now.
That'd be awesome in a tundra, I could drive back and forth in town, to work, on EV only, but when needed it'd operate like a normal truck.

 

They announced some 2023 Ram stuff already and there has been no mention of the I6. I am thinking we wont see it until 2024 at least.

Im not sure how they are going to make 400+ hp out of a 3.0 in a truck applications though. That has to be on 93 octane.

 

ok, no I don't know anything about the Rav4, interesting. I thought we were talking about straight plug in no gas motor

 

most of the big 3 have no problem requiring 93, thats one thing I liked about what toyota did with the new tundra, you get full rated power on regular

93 is WAY more expensive around here and negates most of the MPG gains

 

I agree. I think a PHEV truck is a great solution. I am not sure why Ford has not pulled the trigger yet since they already have the Lincoln Aviator with a 13.6 kwh battery. Its the same drivetrain setup as the Powerboost

 

Ford never advertised on 93 except for trucks with the 3.5 HO motor(Raptor, F150 Limited, Navigator). They only just switched to advertising on premium fuel in 2021 but it also came with the power bump to 400hp/500 torque. Although, if you look now they are only claiming premium fuel on the Powerboost

 

I guess in that case I would rather have tundras 479 ft lbs at lower RPM than ford 500 lbs at a higher RPM and premium fuel

I was so close to getting a BAP platinum powerboost, but I backed out after the test drive.

 

2021+ Supra is ECU locked.
Tuning the newer Supra requires removing it from the car, sending it to Eastern Europe (used to be Russia before the Ukraine war) and dropping a few thousand to have the ECU unlocked.

 

The standard output Hurricane is claiming 420HP @5200 RPM and 468ft-lbs @3500 RPM. The claim is that 90% of peak torque is available from 2350 RPM to peak horsepower. This rating is on 89 Octane mid grade, and 87 Octane is safe to use.

The torque claim works out too, with 420HP @5200 RPM = 424.2ft-lbs which is indeed just over 90% of peak torque.

The engine is electronically governed to only 5800 RPM and the turbos generate 22 psi worth of boost!

The high output unit gets forged pistons along with lower static compression, both units use forged cranks and rods. Also different turbos, boost tubes, intercooler, fuel rail etc.

Fuel cut is at 6100 RPM, 26 psi of boost, and 91 octane fuel or higher for full power. Peak power is 510HP @5700 RPM, and 500ft-lbs @3500 RPM. From what I understand the 90% of peak torque from 2350 RPM to peak horsepower is the same, and also checks out on the top end if you run the numbers.

Also interesting that the standard output runs 0W-20 and high output calls for 0W-40.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/jeep-ram-dodge-hurricane-inline-six-engine-deep-dive/amp/

 

Bummer, not just a simple retune....

Good to know, order the upgrade engine!

 

What isn’t mentioned is the fact that inline 6’s tend to produce nice broad consistent torque curves. Plus the cool side of the engine is free of hot exhaust and turbos so intake air is being exposed to less heat.

Like most I6 turbo mills of late and the Toyota iForce this unit is under square. Bore is smaller than the stroke.

 

Being rated on 89 Octane gives a bit of room to play, but the big stick unit will have even more room to grow because all the hardware is already there.

My guess is it will take the aftermarket no time at all to tune a HO Hurricane to 600HP.