I feel like this is needed right now because reasons.

I’m glad your truck ownership has had a better start than others, hopefully it continues. Most tundra owners want to see the new design succeed since we will need new trucks one day. I realize this is mainly a troll post for you, I’ve seen your comments in other threads so I know why you felt the need to make this post. Your creation of this thread points to you being the one with thin skin. You need to stop flattering yourself into thinking other generation owners come “lurking into the 3rd gen section” to cause a stir. It’s a forum, when someone comments on a thread it goes right to the top of the list of threads. We see an interesting title and we open the thread and start reading, usually not looking at which generation truck it concerns.


You act as though the forum only shows us the threads pertaining to our generation truck. The forum is for everyone so we will all read threads and comment as we please so you should get used to it. If previous gen owners are going to be convinced to buy the 3rd gen, then yeah we are going to want to read about the positives and negatives of their ownership.

 

Ouch! I’m 7K in and the lowest (non towing) tank I’ve gotten is 18.3. Now that it’s broken in with summer blend I’m routinely 19.5 - 21 with mixed driving. (6.5, 4x4 TRD Off-road)

 

The nature of Internet forums for products is mostly negative. That’s just because an unhappy person is way more likely to be vocal.

Glad you’re not having issues, I’m sure the majority of 3rd gen tundras have no problems, just some initial kinks to work out and unfortunately those people have to be the Guinea pigs

 

Glad you have no complaints with your new purchase.

Just keep in mind - while I am certain yours is not unique to no complaints - others haven’t been so lucky. There are still legit complaints out there about minor QC issues on others ‘22s.

I’m glad to hear your happy with the vehicle - and ultimately that’s what’s important as after all it’s YOUR money. If your happy - then who cares what an Internet forum full of critics thinks.

Personally - I think people get too caught up in terms like “reliability” and “problem free”. Simple fact is reliability is not going to be determined in the next year. Let’s see how the gen 3 is viewed in 5 years - that will tell the tale - do people consider them equal to the prior drivetrain - or do they seek out one over the other for reliability?

My ‘21 has not been flaw free - but it’s been minor things and dealers haven’t helped matters. That said the problems have been minor and easily corrected in the end. Yes - the Etune is junk - mine has frozen up at least 8 times in a year and I use my truck sparingly. The battery being too weak was annoying. That said the drive train on a 2.0-2.5 is proven overall reliable. Nothing mass manufactured is going to be 100% - but these engines and transmissions have been proven better than average when not abused and even withstand a little abuse/lack of maintenance better than most.

Enjoy - but just remember, just because it’s a win for you - doesn’t mean that others are wrong in the opinions/choices. It is still very early in the ball game and declaring winners and losers at this point is way too early.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the point of the thread was to discount the real issues that some people are having. It's just to give a perspective from someone that isn't having any issues. I like that. I've only been a member for a couple of weeks and 99% of the comments I read are either from people like me still waiting to get their truck or people complaining about issues so it's a nice change to read comments from people that haven't experienced any of the problems.

 

I hope the 2022 I have coming is as good as yours, but I will always love the 2012 I had. That was an amazing truck that I still wish I owned. A Tunda is a Tundra, don't be that guy.

It's all over the Tacoma forums too, elitist 3rd gen owners and the "thank God I have a 2nd gen" guys. Just enjoy your trucks, both gens are awesome and have something to offer.

 

Exactly. Some 22’s have absolutely had legitimate problems. But most are perfectly fine.
It just cracks me up that Gen 2/2.5 owners want to pretend that those generations didn’t have PLENTY of issues and recalls too. That’s where I can only imagine they get a kick out of seeing a Gen 3 with an issue so much because it’s some sort of way to convince themselves that they’re happy with not having upgraded to a Gen 3.
If you’re supposedly so happy with it, lurking these threads and seeing an issue a fellow Tundra owner is having with their Gen 3 wouldn’t bring you so much joy.

 

-2 weeks with mine. 900 miles. Im averaging 18mpg combined. Easy 20mpg interstate at 70/75 on cruise. In town I feather throttle when engine shuts off and keep it in battery as long as I can. Not because I care so much about the mileage as it is a game.
-I havent had the need to go more than half throttle even getting on the interstate. Power isnt anything to write home about having had numerous cars, but it picks up and goes plenty well for a 6000lb truck.
-Ride is smooth… Really smooth. Especially having been used to a 9500lb Ram Dually. (in its defense, the Ram rode great once I had 15k or 20k lbs behind it )
-Zero issues so far. Only complaint is for a TRD Pro, it should have come from the factory sitting a tad higher and on 35s. Thats getting resolved soon and we will see how it affects fuel mileage.
-I pulled a 12’ utility trailer on Friday the entire day. It was loaded down with various stuff on and off all day. Pulls fine (was not a lot of weight, at least not what I am used to) but backing the trailer multiple times became annoying with all the sensors and alerts and automatic braking. Im certain there is a way to deal with this but I was busy all day and never bothered. Thats the only annoying thing I have had to deal with but it is undoubtedly just user error of course.
-I can see myself driving the wheels off of this thing if it holds true to Toyota quality, unless someone offers me what the Solar Octane TRDs are going for online right now

 

I suspect the people lurking these threads pointing out the issues 3rd generation owners are experiencing are not here to laugh at their misery - but rather have experienced the issues with a new product and want to make sure potential owners are aware of what’s going on. I doubt it’s jealousy of being unable to afford a new 3.0 in most cases.

There have been issues with the 2.0 and 2.5 at roll out / and ultimately those issues were reduced by the time the run ended. I’d hesitate to say “numerous” recalls / there were a few known issues on certain years - and those are well documented here. Point is by 2019 - those issues were gone and they had a pretty refined product - 2022 is just going to be a reset on the learning curve for Toyota and a new product.

Yes the power train has been used before - in a lower volume product - so there’s some examples out there. But people use trucks differently than a Lexus SUV so some unexpected things will likely pop up. Then there’s the vehicle itself - again a lot of “new” tech vs the decade old interior on s 2.5 - to the pioneers go the arrows.

 

I own a 2.5 Gen; and paid it off in 23 months. I *assure* you I can easily afford one, including the Capstone; and could easily pay that one off in 2 years or less.

Not being able to afford one and not wanting to are completely different things. I'd love to own a 3rd Gen...but given my 2.5 Gen handles anything I throw at it, and the use case I have, a 3rd Gen with another loan doesn't make sense.

 

In case you didn’t get the true vibe of the post it was 50% to say something positive about having 1,000 trouble free miles (big whoop), and 50% to attempt to ruffle feathers of previous gen owners. No question. You’re here to be petty and tell people they can’t afford to buy a 3rd gen like you. What’s it like to be so rich? Doesn’t much matter to me. I’m over here in a low mileage, supercharged, paid in full 2017 worth more than I paid for it. And while we’re being petty, it will crush your 3rd gen any day of the week, both empty or with a trailer in tow.

 

Just hit 100 miles on my truck, zero problems… most reliable truck I’ve ever owned… don’t know why everyone is bashing it so much!

 

Lmao I couldn’t give a shit less if it ruffles any feathers, even though it wasn’t my intent. I simply wanted a positive post on the first page of new accounts posting about their miscellaneous petty issues.
But I guess since Gen 2 and 2.5 owners have maximum insecurity in the Gen 3 section, the feathers began a’ruffling.
But speaking of petty, you’re the one foaming at the mouth about “MUH PaiD OfF sUpErcHarGeD 2017” like anyone gives a shit except you about it.
Still just a slow ass truck with horrendous fuel mileage to boot lmao.

 

Continue, plz. This thread is about to sprout some hustle sticks.

@brucega7x PM'd me a snap of his truck and asked me to post it on their behalf:

 

Bro stop posting pics of your sister on public forums. It’s rude and I doubt she knows about it.

 

I think Toyota puts a shitty ass face on the tundra on purpose… that way we can spend another 2 grand in Toyota parts to make it look good. Oh… 2nd and 3rd gen

 

Glad you're enjoying your new truck, and those who've ordered theirs, hope it comes in soon for you. I've got a 2020, and I enjoy mine.

As far as 'non-gen-3ers trolling the gen 3 forum', here's my opening page. It has multiple forums, and I click what I find interesting: And I post if I can contribute or to ask a question. That's all I can contribute, no questions, so I'm done with this thread.

 

Saw a '22 today taking off like a rocket from a stoplight. I could have kept up with it in the V8 4Runner. Looked lowslung to me stock, but easily lifted. There's a lot to like, there's some dislikes. Why they didn't include fulltime 4HI is so stupid.

 

Glad you’re enjoying it OP

 

If you weren’t trying to ruffle feathers you could have excluded your final statements in the post. I guess you missed it where I announced my post as petty in response to the exceptionally petty comment posted before hand. And high 12s/low 13s is not a slow truck. That’s TRX territory. It seems an Appropriate topic given your direct mention of the power putting smile on your face. That said, real power from a blown V8 would likely give you a larger grin. Anyway, I guess I’ll head back to my my 2.5 gen threads where surely no 3rd genner has ever ventured nor commented. (Rolls up excessively large dingus, and exits room).

 

Apparently all the ruffling has been done. May as well keep going, no?

12s is still a slow 1/4 mile by todays standards. Just because it’s “not a slow truck” doesn’t mean it still isn’t slow generally speaking lol. People literally daily drive cars than run 9’s lol.

 

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Cancel the satire artillery, it appears we have a dirty delete on our hands…..or was it?

 

*sniffs air... gets down on all fours and tastes the ground*



Hmm... its salty. @Saltyhero13 has been in here and then skinned out on us.

 

I'll chime in on this one...

I own 2 Tundras: an '08 SR5 and '21 TRD Pro (both crewmax and both purchased new)...

I've owned the 2008 Tundra SR5 since Jan '08, and I still have it. That truck is still a daily driver, and it is operating as my primary pup truck. It's seen numerous 1k mile vacations, towing, and over a decade of ruthless desert summers. It has had normal minor issues over its life, but has been relatively problem free. Not 100% on this, but I think the only "recall stuff" were related to throttle position sensor and floormats; there may have been 1 or 2 more mild things, but nothing major. This was the 2nd model year of the gen 2, so all in all, not bad for a newer design. Good job Toyota!

Back when the gen 2s came out, Toyota was just entering the 1/2 ton market and wanted to offer consumers the capabilities of the big 3 while still providing Toyota reliability. I feel like that mission was accomplished. The roominess, the big clunky dials and huge center console (the things about the interior that "grew old and tired") were all very purposeful. Toyota really wanted the truck to be used as a truck. The big round knobs and large push button dash functions made it easy to manipulate your controls while you were driving, while you had gloves on, while your hands were cold, etc... The truck was meant to be worked. The center console was roomy enough and designed so people who worked from their truck could actually hang file folders on the inside, and they had a huge writing space on top when the console was closed. It wasn't the most capable (towing or off-road), but it was highly capable; it wasn't the most comfortable, but w/its roominess (especially of the crewmax) it was more than adequate; it wasn't the sexiest truck out there (or maybe it was)... But, it was a Toyota, so it gave consumers confidence, consistent reliability and workability that the big 3 couldn't match.

Over the next 10 years, the big 3 did what they do best; continued fighting for the top spot in various categories. Each year the title would change hands for the specific categories that trucks are judged on (towing, payload, roominess, comfort, MPG, HP, tech, etc...). During this time Toyota stuck to their design and business model. They didn't worry about the other 3, and they just did Toyota (and did it well). They kept putting out the same proven design with a little tweak here or there, and eventually toward the end of the decade, they started coming under fire for their lack of change in interior comforts, technology, and MPG. Toyota new it was time to make a change, and they had to decide how to cater to the newer generations that were entering the truck market and how they were going to earn the business of those praising Dodge for its comfy interior or Ford for its tech advancements, etc... I'm sure EPA plays a huge role in how development and design engineers channel their energy to meet the requirements (current and future) in the vehicle market.

So, as we were approaching 2020, much like with other tech, this newer generation of consumer has significantly different priories on what they value. Tech, comfort and convenience are at the top of those lists of priorities for this newer generation of consumers. In addition to being feature driven, this new generation of consumer also is much more accustomed to a more "disposable" product. Most folks in their teens, 20's and early 30's have become accustomed to getting the latest and replacing it w/the next latest as soon as something new comes out (phones are a great example of how we've fallen into this, but anything that contains techy stuff applies here). I certainly would never have thought I'd be spending $1k on a cell phone, and then doing it again the next year just to keep up w/tech; but this is normal life for most younger folks. So, I'd imagine as Toyota is making its decisions on design engineering, marketing, etc. the above factors played heavily, and ultimately Toyota made a decision of what generation of consumers it would be targeting w/the new design...

Fast forward (or not so fast) we enter 2021.. Toyota has already announced it will be completely redesigning the Tundra and refuses to give much detail; just that it will be completely redesigned. So we wait; and we wait; and we wait!!! Finally, we start seeing teasers and leaks providing bits and pieces of information of what to expect. At this point, we are all getting excited and waiting to see what will come of this new release.

But, for those of us that have come to love the Tundra for standing on its own 2 feet and having its own identity and doing what it does best, we quickly saw that Toyota has sacrificed its own identity. The teasers aren't about performance or more importantly "capability" improvements, they are about what Toyota has done to match or surpass GM, Ford or Dodge. It is now playing the same game the big 3 have been playing for decades. Huge infotainment screen and increased interior comfort (Dodge), increased towing capacity, improved payload, improved MPG, and possibly a hybrid with even more MPG and power (Ford/GM)... Basically, a ton of marketing fluff that we had come to expect from the big 3, but now we were seeing it play out in the same way w/Toyota. What we weren't seeing though was hard numbers and capability information: how much MPG? how much HP? how much ground clearance? what were the approach, break over and departure angles going to be?, etc... as more info got released, we saw more high end tech being featured w/o a promise or examples of increased capabilities. Toyota then releases images of the new exterior. I'm sorry, but if you put one side by side w/a gmc or chevy they look nearly identical (front end and side profile). Toyota then continues to withhold MPG ratings on the hybrid (this was not a good sign) as it basically meant Toyota was not able to get the EPA ratings they were hoping for out of the hybrid. So, they were going to be telling consumers they'd be paying a premium price for the ability to say they owned the hybrid but that most of those consumers would not recoup their initial investment for the hybrid power plant over the life of the vehicle.

At this point, at least for me, I decide that the gen 3 is not going to be for me (at least not yet). I scramble to acquire one of few remaining gen 2 PROs and take delivery of it in Dec 21. At this time the '22s are starting to be released and immediately folks are having some problems w/them. Yes, this is to be expected and yes it's not everyone's experience, but it's still happening and folks are being told delays to resolve could be significant. But, at this point, I'm still "interested" in what this vehicle is about. As they start landing at the local dealer, I have an opportunity to sit in one; it's not bad, but it's not me. It's a bit tighter; there's definitely more going on and while it feels more comfortable to sit it, definitely feel more "plasticky"... I then get a chance to drive one. Very comfortable, very smooth, it's more agile and has good power (yes it's more powerful). But, it didn't put a huge smile on my face to drive it.

I like torquey, throaty, naturally aspirated V8 power. I want my truck to feel like a truck; like it's something substantial. I don't want it to feel like an SUV. I don't want to feel like I'm riding on a cloud as I enter a turn; that's just me!! I want to know that if I need to drive over something or decide to take a trailer or climb over something, that my truck will do it. I didn't feel confident the '22 would be successful in navigating things I know my '08 or my '21 Pro would be able to do. However, I could be totally wrong about that, maybe it could match or exceed the capabilities of my other Tundras.

I know this was long winded, but I promise I'm getting to my point. I think when those of you that own Gen 3s are finding yourselves frustrated w/posts from those of us that own Gen 2s, or saying that you're not seeing any Gen 2 owners posting anything positive about the Gen 3s, it's because we are still waiting to be excited for you... The Gen 3 release didn't do for us what we were expecting out of Toyota, but it clearly did something for you or you wouldn't have purchased one. Now we are waiting to see the Gen 3 owners get out there w/their trucks and do cool truck shit and share that with us!!! We are waiting to see you guys post pics of your trucks in cool places; doing cool family stuff; doing work stuff; doing play stuff; and using the trucks to conquer tough environments, obstacles, etc...

In the end, I'm not contributing to your investment and you're not contributing to mine. So, it really doesn't matter what either of us are spending our money on; but what we do share is a passion for our vehicles and a desire to have the best possible experience out of them and that's what this forum should be about.

 

No issues after 5 weeks?! That’s impressive.

 

huuuuuuge Tombstone/Doc Holliday opportunity here.

@ColoradoTJ