Moving to 3rd Gen...Pros and Cons?

I’m thinking of selling my 2019 Crew Max for a new 22. Anyone that has switched between the old generation to the new, what are your pros and cons? Thanks

 

The 22 is an unknown for reliability. Keep your 19.

 

According to the poll that’s on here it’s over 1/3rd of us.
https://www.tundras.com/threads/poll-owners-of-the-gen-3-tundra-what-was-your-previous-vehicle.103935/#post-2687368


The thread below however will give you all the opinions on one side or the other so read to your heart’s content
https://www.tundras.com/threads/ok-...ll-set-to-get-one-but-now-not-so-much.104109/

 

My 2 cents:
I'm coming from a '14 CM Platinum to the '22, also a Platinum. Both 4x4 with 5.5ft bed. I'm not going to go into the whole reliability thing because it seems like everyone and their dog has an opinion about it but I will say I'm not worried buying the 1st year. I bought an 2000 Tundra, the first Tundra and it never failed me and made me a fan.

Back to your original question:
PROs
Tech- finally up to modern standards. The '22 is MILES ahead of the 2nd gen and the 14" screen with the PVM is very good. The camera software knows when to turn on which camera, for example when in Drive, it turns on the front camera so I can creep up to a parking space and get the front bumper right up to the wall/car/bush/whatever. Same when in Reverse. There's 3 cameras at the rear- 2 below the brake light and one on the tailgate. While driving, I can press the camera toggle and it'll show me if I've lost anything on that last turn. Wireless carplay/android auto is excellent- just hop in and the car does the rest. The 22 has 6 drive modes and each one has different settings for the steering, throttle and suspension (my only complaint here is I wish I could firm up the steering a bit more). Bump switch is great, I don't use the tailgate switch/latch now. Power running boards were a must have and they're awesome. I'm not short but f**k climbing into a truck anymore.

Full Speed Radar Cruise- I love it. I live in SoCal so traffic is everywhere, everyday. I just turn it on, set the speed and turn on the laptop... I mean radio. It's a more polished system than my brothers '18 F150 Plat- I never got really comfortable with the ford's b/c the front radar wouldn't see cars in front 10-15% of the time. Toyota's system is better and I'm not constantly covering the brakes to avoid hitting the car in front.

JBL- I have the premium and while some might not be impressed, compared to the '14 it's night and day. For me it's finally a good sounding stereo.
Cabin Noise- As others have noted, it's a much quieter ride on the street and freeway. Personally I didn't particularly like the drone of the 5.7, I found it to be too loud, and it was stock.

Ride- This was important to me since it's my DD. I have the AVS with rear air springs and I have no plans to lift the truck. The 22 still rides like a truck, but a smoother truck. The rear end is better planted and doesn't skip or hop around like the 2nd gen. The AVS has a couple different settings and does a good job keeping the truck motions controlled. It'll hit a bump and settle immediately, no pogo-ing or floating or 2nd bounce. The steering lightens up in parking lots- I never knew how much better that was until I got the 22. You still can't ignore speed bumps but at least you can see if anything fell out now.

Interior- Better design and not as much hard plastic everywhere. Doors have a wide shelf to put your left arm during those long highway runs. The toggle switches are sweeeeeeet. You'll love 'em too. Window switches and buttons feel better than the 14.

Motor- It's fine. If I want to go fast I'll dust off the Duc or take the M3. So far I've been getting 17-19mpg on mixed driving.



CONs
Drivers seat- For whatever reason, the drivers side seat sucks. The passenger side is fine and feels well padded but the driver side is just like the '14- hard as a board. Why they haven't improved this already this is beyond me. The F150 has excellent seats.

Tracking straight- On the freeway, the truck doesn't hold a true straight unless it's on the Sport S+ mode. There's a bit too much play on the steering wheel in normal mode for me.

Bed shake- Whenever the rear window is rolled down I can hear the bed shaking like a washing machine stuffed with coins. The 14 wasn't as bad but maybe had something to do with the tonneau cover.

Price- Yup, it's a lot more coin but you do get a lot more car.


Damn, this was a lot. Anyways, it seems to me that the main issues people here seem to have with the 22 is the lack of v8 and reliability. Personally, I don't care what the cylinder count is as long as it moves the truck better than the previous motor. Reliability TBD but it's a Toyota. The 22 is a better truck in every way compared to the 14.

 

I agree I had a 2016 1794 and a 2018 sport went for a test ride in a limited non TRD today and wow so impressed by this new truck what a improvement. I'm waiting for a platinum left a deposit about four weeks ago

 

Thanks for the information, actually really helped!

 

Went from an '09 SR 2X4 DC with a 4.7 to an SR5 CM 4X4 TRD Off Road, so not really an apples to apples comparison.

The '22 rides better, smoother, and feels more planted. Interior is much better (my '09 might as well have been an '89 in that regard). The '22 is a flat out better driving vehicle.

My complaints about the '22 (besides chrome) are the lack of tow hooks and the piss poor rear bumper design. I also miss the 6.5 ft bed of my DC, but knew that was going to be a compromise going in (didn't want to wait for the CM with the 6.5 bed and didn't want that long of a truck anyways).

Overall, I'm happy with my '22, but damn, Toyota really failed on the rear bumper. They've created a people hauler/tower and forgot to make a functional pickup truck.

 

It seems the things that bother you are what would bother me. No tow hooks is a killer for me. And I agree on the back bumper, and really just the design of the back of the truck. It doesn’t do it for me. I like the rest of it looks wise, as well as the interior. They look pretty cool with a lift and wheels/tires.

The new features and smoother more planted ride are appealing. The 10 speed is probably awesome. Not thrilled with the engine options, but if the design is proven in a few years that part wouldn’t stop me from purchasing, although I’d miss the sweet sounding V8.

My biggest reservation is they seem to have abandoned the truck user on a few different aspects and started focusing on making this truck a suburban family hauler. If buying new I’d be looking at a new 3/4 ton personally. Instead I just doubled down on the proven old 2nd gen which I love, and supercharged mine to at least keep up with (in most cases exceed) the newer trucks in the power department. I’ll be holding on to mine for a long while! If I had an older truck due for replacement and was set on the new tundra, I’d still hold out for a 23 or 24 model year before buying.

 

Agree.

I'm fine with mine as I only need my truck to be a truck once or twice per month, so the inconveniences ain't a deal breaker and I'll eventually replace the front bumper with a slimline with shackle attachments to address the tow hook issue.

It's mainly a daily driver for me and the bed is mainly used for hauling camping gear, so it works for me. But if I was still working on a ranch and needed a light duty truck, I'd never buy this one.

My main frustration is that it seems it wouldn't have been difficult for Toyota to design the truck to fulfill both needs.

Oh yeah, I don't really miss the V8, but I do miss the sound it makes.

 

I'm not so sure Toyota has abandoned the truck user, I bought the Plat so I can DD in comfort and lux. Both my '00 and '14 started out as my DDs but they ended up doing full time duty as farm trucks and getting the crap beat out of them. My '14 currently has the rear seats removed to make room for a tool chest and the bed has a 50gal sprayer on it. My 22 will eventually end up full time as a farm truck but not for 6-8 years.

We have 2 ranches and all our light duty trucks end up on farm duty. Is the Plat trim a nice truck? Hell yea, but it's still a truck. Could I have bought a bare bones truck to do farm work? Yes, but why buy a new truck when we're going to abuse the hell out of it? Given OUR experiences with gen 1&2 tundras, they've been durable and reliable enough to handle the abuse we throw at them and I don't see why the new one would be any different.

An accident eventually killed the '06 but it was still going strong. Insurance offered a ridiculous amount of money for it and we laughed all the way to the bank. The lack of clear coat on the '06 will give you an idea of how we treat the farm trucks.

 

2022 Tundra Platinum 4x4 IFORCE

Pros:
Buying new without markup rather than overpaying for a used Gen2.
Engine Performance - Acceleration and torque are great at speed is hard to tell how fast you are travelling.
Brakes are quite good.
Handling is also solid and fairly flat.

I call it the Dad button and its awesome! The outlet in the back seat is only powered if selected by a control in the front,,,,,,perfect for bribing/blackmailing the kids into behaving, listening, not fighting etc if they wana keep there phones charged lol.


Cons:
Numerous Engine Malfunction warnings, parking and grill shutter jammed, fixed with software updated. Intermittent Airbag malfunction, dealer unable to diagnose.
Steering, very light control, over assisted.
Coiled rear suspension is an improvement but still not as smooth and confidence insuring as RAM
MPG - For me is bad 16MPG, lower than my V8 RAM.
Independant AC, but same flow control.
AC / Heated Air Flow weak
Cooled Seats (Weak - Especially if compared to RAM 1500)
Heated Steering Wheel - Luke Warm (Doesnt have warming sensation of RAM 1500)
Steering Wheel - Hard Uncomfortable
Too many beeps and notifications, every now and again coffee cup suggesting take a break is annoying, just concentrate on making practical working equipment that doesn't break.
Too many trim pieces (some a bit loose) and weird sectional design that has too many lines that break up the look for the eye.
The trim round the sunroof looks really sketchy and have had to manipulate it into place a couple of times.
Center Console is over complicated and not ergonomically friendly if you want to just leave out your wallet and phone for quick access, the clanky slider is crap and only serves to provide access to a big black abyss.

The braking aid safety feature. This is way out of real world calibration and dangerous. If you dont want it you have to switch it off every trip. Have almost been rear ended twice in four weeks in Houston stop and go traffic because the truck slams on the breaks unexpectedly.

 

Time to sell...?

 

If you tow a lot the TTV6 will be a lot stronger with peak torque being ~80 ft-lbs more at 1200 rpm's lower. It will also be significantly stronger at higher elevations

Better MPG's, but I dont think anyone knows how much better yet since they have not been fully broken in or been through summer. My 2014 Ecoboost will swing 1.5-2 mpg summer vs winter.

If you don't tow then I don't see a huge reason to upgrade. Also, if you just buy and sell trucks every 3 years then I don't see a lot of reason to confine yourself to a Tundra. Everyone is all worried about reliability here but half the people don't seem to hang on to their trucks all that long.

 

What are the 6 drive modes? I thought I only had 3. Or is that an option on the platinum?

 

coming from a 2020 tundra and going to a 2022 i would do it over and over again. there isn't one thing that i miss from my 2020.

 

Platinum, 1794, and Capstone have Adaptive Variable Suspension and can be put into Comfort, Sport S, and Sport S+ modes.

 

Need AVS I think to get the 6 modes:
Custom: throttle, suspension and steering can be set by driver
Sport S+: throttle, suspension and steering preset by factory
Sport S: throttle and suspension preset
Normal: normal
Comfort: suspension preset
Eco: throttle mapping preset

AVS is an option for 1794 and Plat, standard on Capstone

 

Hmmm. That makes me nervous. My 19 Titan PR is super quiet and comfortable on the highway. No vibrations, no bed shake, no nothing. It also tracks straight on the highway and the driver and passenger seats are super comfortable (Zero Gravity seats are actually a real thing, they work). I really wish I could drive the truck before putting down a deposit. I am waiting for a Platnum with the advanced package and electric running board/tailgate step.

 

Bed shake is only noticeable when the rear window is down, otherwise it's quiet in the cabin. The bed doesn't transmit any vibrations into the cabin. The straight tracking at high speeds- for me, this means I can let go of the steering wheel and the car will go straight without any input, like my M3. The seats are weird, because the passenger side feels more comfortable- not just me, other ppl have noticed it as well. I have heard good things about those ZG seats. Maybe its just my truck.

See if you can get one of those extended test drives. My local dealer offered me a red 22 plat to drive and keep overnight.

 

Pros: paying MSRP!!

Cons: Ugly grille

Not to disrespect 3rd Gen owners but after being in San Antonio today and seeing a bunch on the road the delay/hype for this truck and seeing this product is concerning. It’s just a weird looking truck.

 

The Zero Grav seats are very comfortable, they will be hard to leave behind. This is a very hard choice for me. I am about as loyal as they come to Nissan (I have owned 13 Nissans over the last 30 years). Nissan has been stagnant for so long that I just can't wait around for a new beefier Titan.

As for the overnight test drive, not sure they would be willing to do that with the truck being so hard to get.

 

I hear you regarding the seats. I had my brothers 18 F150 Plat for a couple months and those seats were a revelation. They were supremely comfortable, so I was a little disappointed when my 22 felt like my 14.

Thats the only real complaint I have with my 22. The other things are minor and I can overlook them.