Ok How bad is the 2022 really, was all set to get one but now not so much

This, for the most part.

I've owned many vehicles in the last 20 years:

- 1995 F250 - multiple issues
- 2002 Ram 1500 - complete sh*t truck
- 2004 F150 - admittedly almost no issues, which is why I bought a...
- 2013 F150 - multiple issues, and both dealerships locally are kinda crap

Meanwhile:

- 2000 4Runner - no issues, ever.
- 2012 Highlander - no issues, ever.
- 2020 Highlander - no issues
- 2020 Tundra - *one* issue (resolved)

Even if the Tundra has/has had issues, the local dealer is top notch. While I'm sure the 2022 Tundra isn't complete crap, I don't tow all the time, I've never gotten close to exceeding the payload/towing capacity of my 2020, and my 2020 is paid off. Trading it in for a vehicle that is marginally faster and more capable, yet with more issues, and taking on a $10K loan, makes no sense to me at this time.

 

This is the part about guys with 2.5 gens arguing about whether to buy a third gen that I don't understand. If I was going to buy a new truck every ~3-7 years, I probably wouldn't be in a Toyota, depending on what kind of price I could get on each brand. I paid $45k CAD for my truck, which was the best deal I could find at the time, but my FIL got his 2011 F150 XLT EcoBoost for like $30k CAD. Don't get me wrong, I love my truck and it's the best choice for my use case but that use case considers that I'm going to keep it for 15 years and several hundred thousand kilometres.

 

I haven't read one response on this thread, I will go back and read after I post this. The reason I am saying that is because I want to give my unfiltered opinion. I have been reading this sub forum almost everyday and paying attention to YT videos about the truck. If you really want the newly designed Tundra, wait. Just wait. In a year or so all these bugs will be ironed out. You won't have to deal with the early adopter pain. You could get lucky but if I have learned anything from this release, it does not seem worth it to buy the first year of a release.

 

In my case, I normally don't keep vehicles for only 3-7 years. The shortest amount of time I've ever owned any vehicle (notwithstanding major issues) is 7 years; I kept my 2004 F150 for 9 years.

Literally the only reason I thought about trading up was on the outside chance that I could have traded mine in and paid maybe $4-5K to get into a new one. Turns out I *can* do that, but not for the truck I want, and given that fact plus the raft of first-year issues the 3rd Gen Tundra is experiencing, I said 'no thanks, I'll wait.' I fully intend to keep my 2020 for 10-15 years.

 

Do you think we should wait for all the bugs to be ironed out? First time I've heard this great logic and the light popped on in my dim head. Going to sell mine and wait till next year unless I see some bugs still. I'll just crawl into my bulletproof bubble and roll down the highway cause it is the safest thing I can think of.

I would hate to set at the supper table with most of you and listen to ya rant about stuff that are in fact, choices.

Hey, do you think it cost too much?

Go back and read the post of these Debbie-Downers and see how spot on they have been. Oh, the supply problems will be over by March and we can wheel an deal on the price is one of my fav

 

How did you think you'd only need$4-5k to get the new Tundra? Based on past trade in value?
You should check again. Truck trades are dropping in value very quickly.

 

That's kinda where I was at. Last I checked, I could get what I paid for my Tundra and get into a 2022 SR5 DC optioned out to increase my PL and go back to a regular size bed for pretty much a push. I'm out for now though.

 

When they first came out, at the time, I could have gotten about $44K or so. Add $4K on to that, and I figured $48K - $49K might be a reasonable amount to pay for a '22 Tundra 4WD SR5 with SR5 Upgrade package (to get the larger fuel tank). Even now, I can get (I just checked) right around $41K for my truck. Being as I paid $41.7K for it 2 years ago, not too shabby.

Turns out that truck with the TRD Sport package (cheapest package I can find that has the 32 gallon tank and, I believe, basic Bilstein suspension upgrade) is $51K or so. Only vehicles that were even close to what I wanted had at least another package, and so I'd have had to pay around $53K. That's a $10K difference, and that was about 2 months ago.

Being as I was within literally one payment away from paying off my truck, I didn't want a $10K loan, and said "Naah, I'm good with what I got."

As you point out, since then, trade-in value has dropped; and a few more issues with the '22's have cropped up; so the delta would be about $12K. I'm even more satisfied with the decision I've made.

 

Same here. I *can* get a '22 CrewMax with 4WD for right around $45K, and I'd incur maybe a $4K loan; but that would be one with almost no packages on it at all. That'd mean I'd need to upgrade the suspension/wheels, spray-in bedliner; and I wouldn't have the larger fuel tank. Getting all of those things would easily add another $5K or so...

*OR* I can just do that stuff to my paid off truck. Plus you can't get a '22 in Voodoo Blue.

 

Was looking to get in line for a 22 or whatever you call it but the inability to get a Crew/6.5/TRD along with the lack of a FREAKING BUBMPER STEP tells me Toyota might be turning their bullet proof truck into a station wagon. So I'm gonna wait.

How in the work do you need think someone will step on the bumper to get into the bed? Bad bad sign.

 

I'm glad I got a 2020. I drive mine till they die, then repair till it dies again. Then, it's unreliable! Can't say on the 2022, I just like big ol'V8s. Mainly replying to second the bumper step. I put on the pulldown one, and love that thing! It should be standard equipment, unless they copy the GM product bumper step.

 

EDIT: Just paid off my ‘21. So, instead of playing the “Will It Happen To Me?” games with the various issues we’re seeing with the ‘22, I am happy to sit back and watch the shenanigans from afar.

To be fair, there are some impressive features about the ‘22: the low-end torque, the waaaaay overdue rear locker in the Off Road package. But I expected it to debut in front of the pack, and it did not. It seems like it’s built for people who like giant screens and new-looking interior and who value comfort and MPG over every single other factor.

And I can’t help but be sorely disappointed at the missed opportunity to make a meaningful jump in available payload, even if its just a heavy duty payload package on a lower-trim truck. The hybrid puts up better torque numbers than current gasser HD trucks, but with only 1400 lb of available payload.

 

I have a 2022 Platinum Crewmax with the 6.5 bed and air suspension coming Will be towing an InTech Terra TT which is around 5800 dry weight and has a 7500 GVWR which I should never reach. I saw videos of the Tundra towing that kind of weight without a WDH because of the level loading air suspension and sway control the trick has. Your thoughts?

 

Thanks for the post and Holy cow, Kroppduster…all this time I’ve had you pegged as something other than what you just proved to be with that post…a good guy.

 

This thread is interesting. Most of the people saying "don't buy it", don't have one. Most of those with one, say buy it. I traded in a 2014 platinum crewmax 4WD with 89K miles. I have zero regrets and would do it again..and again..and again.

 

I don't know what direction Toyota is going with the Tundra, nor how accurate in the realworld their numbers are. Our '19 Sequoia has a rear GAWR of 4250lbs and it's IRS, 1375lbs payload. '22 Tundra published numbers are 3800lbs rear GAWR with SRA and apx 1400lbs payload.

 

I bought basically the same. I am getting the toyota extra care for peace of mind tho

 

Hmmm. Thanks, I suppose. Haha. Glad I improved your previous perception of me.

 

The outgoing Tundra model had a 4150 lb rear rating. The truck went from a 5 lug hub to a 6 lug and they dropped the rating 8.4 percent?

So it had fairly low payload limits before, they intentionally lowered the load rating to match the weight reduction of the truck, and we have the same low limits to complain about. Nice.

 

I sold my 2015 Denali with 205k miles on it with the 6.2L V8 during COVID and am in the market for a new truck. Before that I had a Sierra with the 5.3 and 220k miles. Very few problems with either truck.

Came here looking for information for my next truck as I'm truly cross shopping now and after seeing all the spooky waste gate stories I went over to the Ford forums convinced that the F150 was the truck to get.

Then I read all of the problems those folks were having with various things. And now I'm back here. I'm still in between both trucks but I'm going to drive a Platinum Tundra and see if I like it. If you go to Silverado/Sierra boards you'll fine no shortage of people telling you that the 6.2 V8 is the biggest piece of crap that's ever existed. I loved the engine. (Hated the Premium gas). I decided to stop worrying about what YTers and forum members think. They aren't me and they aren't you. Just test drive them. If you like it, get it. Warranties exist for a reason.

 

Yes, if there is one person I try to always take advice from, it's the guy with no first hand experience in the subject matter to which they speak! I wonder if anyone was planning on ordering a 22 and then read random advice from a stranger on the internet and said, "you know what, I'm not gonna spend 60 grand cause this dude I don't know told me not to".

 

Yes it does

 

To be fair , and im not a 22 owner, the current supply chain debacle has more to do with that than a faulty vehicle. Most new vehicles right now waiting in the shop that long are waiting for parts just to ship not because the problem is unable to be diagnosed and repaired within 30 days. Doesnt mean the law doesnt still apply. But more of an * situation.

 

Yeah, concerning the people just saying “I don’t like it; it’s ugly, and it sucks” for no real reason, you have a point. They might change their minds if they were to drive one.

However, various documented issues, extended repair times, and Toyota’s odd QC issues are all real and true regardless of which other generation of Tundra the person responding to the thread happens to drive. The OP is asking for info, and not all real and relevant info requires personal experience with the truck.

I mean, I could just as easily flip your statement on its head: “Yes, despite the issues and the extended time frames of getting them resolved, I’m gonna go spend 60 grand because some dude on the internet said he didn’t regret buying his truck even though it has had some problems.”

 

How do you know it’s “real and relevant” if the person hasn’t had personal experience with the truck? Do yo take medical advice from strangers on the street?

 

I think your last paragraph is a pretty good argument for buying the truck. It's got those issues, yet there is still no regret in buying the truck.

 

Lol. Are you serious? We’ve seen tons of posts from forum members, from facebook, from youtube about issues and about extended time frames getting them taken care of (the latter is not as much due to the truck as to the current global context we find ourselves in).

I can easily and truthfully convey that these issues exist to someone who is asking about the truck even though I have no experience with the truck myself.

Not on this forum. Toyota owners historically value reliability and hassle-free ownership over neat-o features and new looking interior. This is why you see almost hyperbolic aversions to the new truck. They’ll settle down in time. And most of the “it’s ugly” crowd will change their tune the more they see ‘22s in person. This is why so many people are careful to point out the issues they see when someone asks. My truck lags its contemporaries in pretty much every metric except extreme long-term dependability. That’s the only reason most of us are here.

 

You're right, we can't count on the average person to apply some common sense and realistic expectations. They have short memories of the issues the Tundra has had over the last almost 20 years and think the sky is falling. Common sense, reason, and realistic expectations would point to the fact even with these issues, this new gen is still likelier more reliable than any of the big three's offerings. Toyota has a proven track record unlike the others. The biggest problem is this forum and every other social media platform has become echo chambers for issues leaving a bloated view of the problems. I expect issues with this truck for many reasons (this is what a realistic expectation should be). Supply chain issues from the factory down to every little outsourced component, a new model, and the work ethic of the average 2022 worker have all contributed to my realistic expectation that there are going to be issues with this truck. These same issues are affecting every one of the big three as well. But who do you trust more to make the issues right at the end of the day? My last three trucks have been tundras and this is by far my favorite one. Every tundra I owned had issues, from quality control leaving the factory, to recalls, to various, ankle biter issues not worth a service appointment to address. This tundra is no different. I love hearing people on here talk about the previous gens like they're superior in quality and so on and so forth...they weren't, but they were good enough and they were reliable. Again, people have short memories. We need a thread for happy 3rd gen owners to stop some of Google review nonsense where only the people with problems leave a review. You'd think there were only a dozen happy owners of the 3rd gen the way this forum reads.

 

You are correct. My AC issue was discovered on a Thursday, techs took all day Friday and had it diagnosed by the end of the day. Toyota sent engineers in on the following Tuesday. My rub is they could have brought the part with them. It was originally thought by my dealership this is what was going to happen so they could see the issue and fix first hand. Instead, I'm told the dealership and Corporate played a weeks long game. Toyota wouldn't ship the new part until they received the broken one, the dealership wouldn't ship broken part until they received the new one. This was not resolved until I requested a case manager. She handled this problem in roughly 3 days. Argument resolved, part shipped and installed in days! The 5 week wait was completely unnecessary.

 

Regarding the part I bolded, I 100% agree with you. It just remains to be seen. I think it will be a great truck, even if I would definitely not buy one right now. It is, after all, the same company that brought us the previous Tundras and all the other extremely dependable platforms. People who value long term reliability over everything else are naturally more cautious as a general rule. Is the view of the issues bloated, as you say? Maybe, but that remains to be seen as well. Owners with problems are naturally louder about them than people with no issues; I get that. 1st year of the 2nd gen Tundra's issues were mild comparatively. Remember that two of the 3 million mile second gens were 2007 trucks (1st year). And there are lots of others at or over 500k that have done nothing but basic maintenance as well. Will I drive that much? Nope. But that is exactly why those trucks (and Toyotas in general) retain such high value after the warranty expires. Delivering on the promise of hassle-free ownership.

Where I disagree is, I do think the previous gen is higher quality. Quality to me means no problems. I'll take the tail end of a previous Toyota generation every time. My Tundra has had 0 issues, and 0 recalls I have received apply to my truck. Granted I only have 26k miles on it. Yeah some of the interior materials seem cheaper than my old 4Runner, but I didn't buy a truck to be comfortable or for neat looking interior. It's a tool that I want to work without hassle/issue every single time I fire it up. All other criteria–especially those that relate to appearance, tech features, or comfort–are nearly meaningless to me. The bigger the useless iPad on the dash, the less I want that vehicle lol. What job can it do, and how many times will I have to visit the dealer? That's all I care about. I would, today, still buy a 2nd gen. Doesn't mean your truck sucks. I think they're cool. When I need a new one, 99% sure it will be a 3rd gen Tundra. We will see over the years between now and then how much dealer attention it needs. It is vastly more complicated, which I view as a net negative, but it is still built by Toyota, which is a positive. So... we'll see. I totally understand the "I like it but not yet" crowd. You might be ok with your truck having issues, but most Toyota drivers are not. And most 2nd gen drivers here have had a very uneventful time with their trucks. The hesitation to pull the trigger makes perfect sense, as do the responses alerting someone to the issues who literally asked about them.