Ok How bad is the 2022 really, was all set to get one but now not so much

You can't....plain and simple!

 

That's fair. I agree–in pre-covid times, your truck would have most likely been in and out in a day or two. And yes, there are whiners. But there are people who, due to the nature of the market right now, supply chain issues, apparent Toyota supplier issues, etc, are probably wise to wait.

Enjoy your truck! There are some areas that really impress me and some areas where I kinda expected more. I'll end up in one most likely. My truck has a lot of life left in it, though.

 

Nicely worded. Most people who love their '22 would rather enjoy their truck than waste their time here. Now, there are people who have legitimate issues but then there are people who just like to complain. I'm about 9-13 days from delivery and I can't wait. If it has issues, I will deal with it on my own when that time comes.

 

Will you even consider other brands or just give Toyota whatever they are asking? Have you owned other brands of 1/2 tons? Serious questions. I'm just wondering if the others are bad as members here say they are. I ended up in a Tundra primarily because it cost less than the others. And I owned Tacoma's for 16 years before the Tundra. I've owned only Japanese vehicles since 1985.

 

I'm not Terndrerr (or however you spell it), but I own my 2020 Tundra because I've owned several trucks in the past:

- 1995 F250 - pretty reliable but did have several minor issues.
- 2002 Ram 1500 - the WORST truck I've ever owned, bar none. Many MANY issues - 18 times to the shop for major issues in 17 months was way too much, and that's all before 60K.
- 2004 F150 - admittedly a very rock solid truck, which is why I bought a...
- 2013 F150 - constantly had small issues. Never left me stranded, but when you have issues to the point where the dealer says "Yeah, this'll be the last time we fix this..." it doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

I've also owned several cars; one was alright, one was rock solid, the rest were crap.

Meanwhile...we've owned two problem free Toyotas (2000 4Runner and 2012 Highlander). As such, in March 2020, when they were pretty heavily discounting vehicles, I got almost $8K of my Tundra, and I've had one issues that's been resolved. Plus, the dealership is one of the best in the area. That's why I own a Tundra.

 

I had plenty left in my truck too, traded a 19 Titan Platinum (that never had a single issue lol). The 22 Tundra had everything I was looking for; as a whole, it doesn't disappoint at all! .

 

I owned a Chevy Avalanche back in the day. At 30,000 miles it needed an engine replacement! The warranty was 100,000 miles or 5 years. I had 5 years 5 months and 30, 000 miles, Chevy told me they wouldn't cover anything! Fast forward, I had a 19 Ram 1500 that went to the shop 16 or so times the first 12 months!! I guess that's why these misc Toyota issues don't phase me. My opinion is, it's not so much the issues but how they are handled! I will probably never own a Chevy or Ram product again because I was treated so poorly. So far, Toyota has been pretty darn good.

 

Yeah, the 2nd gen Tundra is cheaper to buy, cheaper to own over five years, keeps more of its resale value, and has less issues. That's why I bought one. I drive a lot (I commute for work, and my wife and I live a few states away from our families). In the last 10 years, I've gone from an '06 Scion xB to a '12 4runner to a '15 Prius (my wife drove the 4Runner while I commuted in the Prius), back to the 4Runner when I got my wife her 2nd Suburban (this time a Yukon XL), and then traded the 4Runner in on the Tundra. The only vehicles I've never had any issues with are the Scion and the Toyotas. The rest of the men in my and my wife's families all drive Fords: F150s, F250s, Expeditions. Between the constant issues (mostly minor, some major) of the Fords and the weird electrical stuff going on with our GM full size vehicles, I don't care to own another full size domestic. The YXL has stranded my wife twice, so I'm hoping she's ready to downsize to a Sequoia (lol, downsize to a Sequoia) or a Highlander.

Ram is the only domestic brand I have no experience with, and I don't see that changing.

The bolded part is why I'm in the truck I'm in. All other criteria are a distant second. I'm sure the low end torque is nice and all, but I really don't care to own a 3rd gen at all until all the issues are ironed out. We go out to remote places with no cell service for dispersed camping a few times a year. The proven dependability of the 2nd gen made it an easy decision for me. I keep telling myself the 3rd gen is built by the same company; it should carry the dependability forward. But I won't drop the cash until it has had time to prove itself.

 

My daughter's BF has an F150 work truck that he beats the crap out of and it's over 150k and he says he has no problems with it. If I thought I could have similar luck pretty sure that's the way I'd go. The payload and hauling on those is just so much better than the new Tundra.

 

I've owned new or nearly new Ram, GMC and Ford trucks in the last 10 years. I currently drive a 2005 Tundra and have a 2021 F150 at work. The Ram was meh, the GMC was great. The Ford was a piece of shit. My '05 Tundra is fantastic. My '21 F150 is a piece of shit. I looked pretty close at the Sierra but the value per dollar wasn't there compared to the '22 Tundra, so that's why I stuck with Toyota.

 

I have enjoyed my Tacoma, and have always wanted to get into the Tundra.

 

I might have been willing to gamble on a new Sierra if either I had been able to buy a new truck at the end of the last model run (2014-2018) or if Canada had a lemon law like most US states do.

 

I can't see why anyone would own the abomination that is the '22.

That said if you like it i think you can take comfort in Toyota being the mfr most likely to actually address serious issues. Others not so much. It is just a fact of GM ownership you will suffer if a design defect exists. You will experience dealers who pretend to have never heard of your issue even when there are thousands of pages in online forums documenting it. GM itself will ignore, ignore, ignore. Just google 'AFM' or 'leaky rear window' or even 'buffeting'. I just switched to Ford and can tell you the QC half assery i've seen so far is remarkable. The person in charge of transmission programming should be fired and lose whatever degree he/she holds. If every single truck they built showed up with only three wheels on it they'd take 6 mos to issue a TSB on it and it would involve resetting the computer and changing the floor mats.

 

The new Tundra is no more complicated than the other competitors.
They just waited too long for the update, and when the engineers started designing the update they got to a point somewhere in the cycle, I figure early and said Screw it - lets start from scratch. No more engineers left of influence to keep the V8 or do evolutionary changes to the body style so.....
So unlike the competitors it is a brand new vehicle, and - a ticking time bomb of sorts. We don't know only time will tell.
It is definitely a warranty purchase now - meaning for the length of time you own it you need warranty coverage.

At some point you will need to replace your truck. If you are like some here, you will not want to risk a Big 3 truck experience again so....
Be thankful for the early buyers. We should be supporting them for their insight into the new truck on this forum
And remember many them are leasing or only planning on keeping these trucks only a couple years then turning them over again.
They don't bring the needs or wants as myself, who plans on keeping my truck for much longer.

 

Thanks for all the responses ! Wow that is a lot of information.First off just to make it clear I am not getting rid of my 2011 because I love it and will probably have it buried with me second I will be getting a new truck but I believe I will wait for the 2023 Tundra. Toyota has always been good about working things out I think so a little patience won’t kill me thanks again for all the info!

 

buy a 2022 and buy a 10 year 100k mile warranty for $1550 (same price as the 21’) and don’t spend your money on the worse 21’ (in every metric) that gets 13mpg

 

For me, it's not the cost of repairs, it's the inconvenience of going to the service department and driving a loaner instead of the truck you purchased. If I'm going to become best friends with the service advisor I'll buy an F150. It's much more capable.

 

Tell this to the member in a 22 tow thread who is "removing the spare, tonneau cover, half tank of gas, etc" to be within his payload...

 

these words - in every metric - do nothing to help me with my research.
Everyone has different metrics - different truck biases based on lifestyle.
i.e. For me It has a smaller cab, smaller bed, less usable for me rear floor, bigger turning radius, tunnel vision driver view - u want me to go on?
The 2022 Canadian warranty is $5000 from the Canadian Prices thread info here. (not verified personally-yet)
That $5k wipes out the extra money I make on my trade in during this crazy market and I am paying MSRP for an unproven vehicle.
And Fuelly number for the Tundra is 15 mpg average. The way I use my Tundra loaded down on 2 hour trips I get 18 which is in the higher range for Fuelly.
Empirical data sure, but better than using absolutes, imo.

 

In almost no case does it make sense to buy a new truck in hopes of saving on fuel, especially if you're making payments on your current one. Even if the '22 met all your other requirements, you'd still need it to do 30mpg or better to make it financially worth trading in a 3 or 4 year old truck. 30mpg just simply isn't going to happen in a half ton pickup of any brand.

 

If you're down to counting matchsticks, buy something that you can afford. We are not all equal and you should definitely live within your means.

Just take a seat at the kiddy table and quit being babies over it.

 

Same here. I've had quite enough hearing about the gripes about the new Tundra. Most genuine. Some ridiculous.

I'm sitting this one out and try again in a couple of years.

 

Making it financially worth trading it. Is but one metric.
Getting better mileage might be a metric for some - not for me as you can probably tell from my previous post.
In fact if the mileage metric was important, I would have dropped the '22 Tundra long ago in my research just based on the mileage I got during a test drive, and personal reports from a friend ......

as well as our Tundras.com Mileage Poll.

As of today. Sure small sample. But I assume correct as far as the split goes.
My research continues as no trucks avail. to make a call as of today, and the dealer I trust tells me it would take 5 months to get a truck anyway. That puts us at end of Summer, a couple months from ordering a 2023 ....doesn't it ?
Can anyone shed light on this?

 

Ya it looks just like the Santa Cruz lol

 

Ok, I’ll bite. What makes the 22 such a failure ?

 

Nope. I'm not responsible for other people's choices. They are. Legality or insurance issues aside, if you cause an accident because you over did it with your vehicle, then you have to live with it. You also have to deal with anyone you may hurt as a result. For example, we I once worked with an idiot who wanted to haul a forklift that weighed 7000+ pounds on a tilt deck trailer using nothing but it's parking break and a single 3333 lb. strap across the footwell. I shut him down on a safety basis, but he wanted to argue about it because "It's only a couple miles and it won't be over 55 MPH." My response was "I don't care. I have family and friend who live and drive here, and if you hauled that and wound up hurting one of them... There's not a hole deep enough or dark enough on this earth for you to hide in. I will find you." I had less control of my anger then.

 

At this point, I think I'd still buy a 2nd gen if I were in the market for a truck. At least at the price I got mine at ($46.5k). It's simple, honest, bulletproof, easy to maintain. Mine is almost paid off, and my money needs to go toward meeting my investment goals and replacing my wife's Yukon XL at some point soon before I even think of getting into another truck.

The video with Sweers talking about how the million-mile 2nd gens informed the design of the 3rd gen inclined me a bit more to the 3rd gen, but I can't help but feel that I'd rather have the version of the truck that went the distance.

If the hybrid performs well and if the issues are mopped up quickly (as I think they will be), it will be a strong contender for me down the road, especially if it is offered in some kind of stripped down work truck version with a heavy duty payload package. I'm firmly in the "not yet" camp.

 

Warning: Wall of text incoming. TL;DR at the end if you have ADHD. haha.

These posts are tough because no one can answer this for you. For every post saying "don't buy the first model year of a new generation" there are an equal amount of people out there with positive experiences.

Someone earlier said it best...forums like this (really any social media) are simultaneously the best & worst thing to happen to the purchasing cycle of any major purchase. Remember, the internet always serves to amplify the negative over the positive. It's just a fact about the internet. A post about a QC issue will get 100+ responses with a ton of visibility while a post saying "I've got 5,000 miles with no issues" won't get anywhere near that amount of engagement.

It all comes back to you and what you want to spend your money on. Any purchase is a gamble. Plain & simple. Even the most reliable item will have a lemon or two in the production run. The question is what do you think will be most reliable? A 2022 Tundra or any one of the domestic 3? None of us have a crystal ball that is any more accurate than the one you have. Strangers on the internet (present company included) can only tell their own stories in hopes that you'll glean some insight from them and translate them to your own situation.

I have a 2022 Tundra and I'm just shy of 7,000 miles. I was the first Tundra sold at my local dealership and my build date was in Nov of 21. Have I had issues? A couple. I had a DTC pop on the dash for the LTA sensor & Cruise Control. It happened twice and reset each time I turned the truck off. Dealership checked it out and it hasn't happened in 6 weeks (~3,000 miles). I had some connectivity issues with wireless Apple CarPlay at first too. Same situation...hasn't happened in awhile. Do I regret my purchase? Not at all.

Over the years, I've had at least 1 recall (airbag) and several warranty issues on my 2012 4Runner...which was the 4th year of the 5th Gen 4Runner. Bought it at 9,000 miles and currently have about 130k on it. Do I regret that purchase? No. We still own it and it's still my wife's DD.

I had several warranty issues and 1 recall (leaf spring corrosion) on my 2007 Taco...which was the 3rd year of the 2nd Gen Taco. I put 251k miles on the truck before I sold it last year for $10k.

I've always purchased a warranty for every vehicle because I know that I'm going to drive them hard, put a crap ton of miles on them, and keep them for a long time. It's the reason I keep coming back to Toyota time and time again. Will there be issues? Yes. What manufacturer do I trust to fix those issues and stand by their product the most? Toyota. Period.

TL;DR - At the end of the day, the best advice I can give you is this: "You do you. Test drive the vehicles. Balance features vs price to come up with your own "value." Buy a warranty. And, most importantly of all, don't let us strangers on the internet talk you into or out of something because strangers shouldn't be the final straw that determines how you spend your money."

My 2 cents.