Boy am I glad I kept my 21 and NOT buy the 22 Tundra

Agreed, but honestly, many say that the current mileage is unacceptable. Those I know who own a current model year F150 (or one within the last several years) say they get 18-19MPG around town. I get 15-16.5.

I drive 20 miles a day....for that kind of mileage difference, it doesn't at all make sense to run right out and get the newer model solely due to better MPGs.

Now, if it got 6MPG? Hell yeah. LOL

 

Has anyone calculated also the price of the trucks. I believe the base SR5, 21vs22 is something like $4k more. Not to mention your paying MSRP vs invoice or close to it. That adds up very quickly.

 

Well now I see how you came up with the doing no maintenance for a million miles theory!

 

I'm in the market for a brand new Tundra...it's going to get driven 50k+ miles per year. It will be mostly highway miles, though.

Does anyone have a rough idea of the cost to replace the 2022 engine? I'm assuming there is no way it will last as long as the V8s did?

I am basically weighing up front the cost of getting this truck to 500k+ miles. There is no decent alternative for me...Chevy 2500 with Duramax and Allison costs a lot more up front and the diesel adds a lot of recurring costs along the way. Plus I've always had Tacomas but Tundra has been my dream vehicle...

 

The catalytic converter is a new issue, so is the windshield.

The sheet metal and paint are not original on the drivers side, roof, bed, and hood. Nasty hail storm took them out in 2011. For whatever reason none of that sheet metal or paint is nearly as good as the original factory sheet metal and paint. The passenger side front fender and doors are still perfect, and are the original Toyota parts.

Everything else is up to date and serviced, down to gear oil in the differentials.

 

Lessons of the thread...worry about your own income and your govt r@ping you on gas prices before you worry about your vehicle mpg.

 

We don’t know what lifespan will be on those yet.

 

That would be impossible to determine because there are endless combinations of ways to effectively ruin the ride, handling, performance, and fuel efficiency of your truck.

You would have to perform a back to back test with identical wheels, tires, bumpers, lift etc under controlled conditions.

We do know the new truck has gotten significantly better economy while pulling trailers than the old one ever did. So it’s probably not a stretch to predict the new truck will be more efficient than the old one when both are turned into mall crawler bro dozers by idiots.

 

While I have not read specific tests comparing pulling a trailer with a ‘22, I do know that reported real world mileage is not that much better. So when you factor in the additional weight, friction and other off road rig factors, that TT6 has to work harder to compensate. Mechanically speaking this comes at a cost. It will be interesting to see the real world numbers of these new rigs outfitted for off road. My opinion is that they will be close to the 5.7 numbers.

 

Absolutely right but I am willing to bet money that 200k miles is the limit.
https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=192

 

That website is devoid of any data on long term reliability, at least none I could find.

 

I stopped by a local dealership that had a 22 on the lot. So this was my first time seeing it in person. Seen tons of pictures and videos but nothing is better than the real thing in person.

So the HUGE front in person is as Ugly as in the pictures/videos. The body looks ok, it reminds me a lot of the Ford trucks, sorta blocky looking. I like the thin fender flares.

Inside is nice, huge screen, seats are comfy, lots of plastic stuff everywhere but that’s typical Toyota. Liked that they went back to the drivers side grab handle.

It was a Black DC with a sticker price of 57K. Plus a 10K “Availability Adjustment”.

Next time I’m out and about I’ll park my truck next to it to see how they look size wise. It looked taller and wider but that could be the styling.

 

I never even thought about getting rid of my 14’ for a 22’ just can’t beat the reliability of the 5.7 v8 except maybe the 3.4 in my 1st get Taco

 

First new year of any model is a hit and/or miss.

 

I got mine today. The way I read it was, if my truck had any power steering work on it after August, 2021...then I needed to take it in.

 

I find the new pricing and “Availability Adjustment” as offensive as the front end styling. Sooo happy I bought a '21!

 

That sounds like the winning strategy to me. All that could be done for less than what some dealers are adding on to the new msrp price as a "market adjustment". Keep the 07 for 2 or 3 more years, wait for the bugs to get worked out of the new truck and hopefully for the market to settle down, THEN go get the new Tundra.

 

All the reasons you all have stated is why I purchased by 21 TRD PRO LR. IMO, looks more like a truck! Aside from the interior on the 22, it looks too much like a Chevy/GMC and doesn't have the off-road look I was looking for. I also daily drive a 2012 Trail 4runner that I have been driving for 10 years. Hopefully, Toyota works out all the issues with the new truck and does right by the people who have purchased them. Additionally, not paying market adjustment on any vehicle.

 

Saw one on the street here in NC Saturday...MGM with blackout. I'm gonna go with nope.

 

Rear end at night looks a little funky like an Escalade not like a truck.

 

IMO, despite the cut in production due to supply issues, I predict that Toyota will not increase the number of Tundras sold. Due to the less than stellar feature advancements compared to domestics, laziness such as no tow hooks, quality issues, and the crazy prices, I predict the number sold will actually decrease.

 

Friend just bought a F150 we went for a test drive and I really wanted one but I would never exchange ANY Tundra with F150. I like the sound of the V8 too much with or without the cam tower seep
But you are correct. If I had to buy a new truck and with the current Tundra prices, I would consider something else maybe like GMC diesel or something with Allison trans. I think @ColoradoTJ likes his and he is a master researcher. So when it's time to sell my Tundra, most likely hello diesel. Hopefully Tundra will make a nice diesel!

 

I mean, it's a bit of a price increase; on the one hand, I don't like the fact that it's $4K more, but yeah, there's plenty more tech in the new truck (which may or may not be a good thing, depending on one's POV).

On the other hand, there's a bit more to it than that. 2020 and prior, there were tons of Tundras available, and one could easily get them for several grand less than MSRP. (I myself bought my truck in 2020; MSRP was $48.5K, and I got it for $41.7K with a few hundred towards parts and a lifetime engine warranty.) Now? I think I heard of *ONE* guy that got one for $500 less than MSRP; everyone else pays MSRP or more. So the equivalent of my $41.7K truck that I bought 2 years ago (SR5 CrewMax with TRD Offroad Package, Blackout Package, SR5 Upgrade Package, etc.) would cost me $53K. That's almost $12K more.

Even when you calculate the cost of gas, it'll take years to make up that difference...plus my current truck is paid off. I like the idea of more power and better gas mileage, but not at a $12K hit.

 

I think they’ll sell a lot. It’s more fuel efficient, it makes peak torque at 2400 rpm, the interior looks modern with a giant screen, and it rides more comfortably than the 2nd gen. That is apparently all that Americans care about.

 

Spot on.

 

I paid 48 for my ‘17 Plat and I think the ‘22 Plats are going for mid 60’s. So we’re looking at about a 20k increase. I have a nice ride (kings), a big screen (Phoenix) and of course a v8 with a performance tune. Oh yea, an engine roar that is natural and not piped in from the speakers.,

 

Thats is a lot of money to make up. Me personally, I like the tech, my wife’s Lexus has what the 22 Tundra has, but in the long run it’s just another problem. And aside from the lane assist and can some what drive itself on cruise control, what other worth wild tech does it have?

 

Easy on the more fuel efficient. The current post on here is showing real world mpg it’s not much more than the 2.5. The lower TQ is good. The big screen would have looked better integrated into the dash and not sticking out and other than just using it for navigation, a bigger screen is pointless, to me. The standard cluster was an after though, don’t see people saying it’s dated like they talked about the 2.5 gen. I a prefer a more truck feeling over the spongy ride. And you are correct keeping up with the Joneses was Toyotas goal. Too bad they are “just keeping up” and not leading.

 

I think the more data on fuel economy we get, the more the 3rd gen will start to pull away. My truck was around 10-11mpg for the first couple of fill-ups. I average 14 combined now. And I agree with you on all other points. I'm thrilled with my truck, but the only reason I have it is because I can't get a 79 series Land Cruiser or Hilux in North America. Toyota no longer gives us their truly capable rigs.

 

That's kinda my opinion. As an IT guy I love new tech...but also as an IT guy, I realize new tech can often = issues to iron out, as we're seeing now.

My wife has - soon to be had - a 2020 Highlander. It's loaded to the gills with features....to the point where it's actually confusing as hell. Even given the fact that I'm a nerd and I like stuff....I've found that the extra features are often to the detriment of the actual usage of the vehicle. With my truck, the backup camera is a nice thing to have....but with her Highlander it's a requirement because rear visibility sucks. She's also had some issues with her fuel gauge and power cutting out when accelerating at WOT (as one does when passing someone on a country road). Let me tell you, when you're passing someone on a country road and the engine suddenly cuts all power at WOT for a second or two....it scares the hell out of you.

To make a long story really short, I essentially forced her, after 7 months, to go test drive a 4Runner. She fell in love with it after bout a half hour of driving, backing into parking spaces, etc. Her new 2022 4Runner TRD Sport Lunar Rock is on order and should be here at the end of this month.

Moral of the story - I love new vehicles and new tech, but the law of unintended consequences is always in effect, and the new 2022 is illustrating perfectly why many choose to wait for kinks to be worked out.