Turbo issue

This is my first new truck or car have always purchased demos with like 5k-8k on them. Have 500 miles and plan on keeping it 10 years at least. Changing the oil and diff fluid at 1k for what purpose? To get rid of any metal shavings from manufacture? If I don’t tow would u still suggest changing the diff fluid. Sorry if this is a stupid question. Any advice is much appreciated

 

Good question, you're right about getting rid of metal shavings and suspended particles due to new engine and differential manufacture. Like Hadelson said, it's old school, but I still do it to a new engine and differential. Since we tow a lot, the operator's manual requires engine oil/filter to be changed every 5000 miles. The engine has a oil filter, but the differential does not. It's probably overkill changing engine oil at 1000 miles, but the differential only has a magnet on the drain plug. At 1000 miles the differential oil did look dirty and I found plenty of fine metal particles on the magnet, too.

 

Oh good its a screw on. I hate the cartridge filter in my Lexus GX.

 

Sorry for the thread drift.

Here's another thread, page 2, shows where the engine filter is located and how to get to it.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/strange-material-under-non-trd-limited.101404/page-2#post-2603190

 

Or try go to lexus and tell them need oil filter for a 2018+ Lexus LS500. Same engine.

 

Well the LS500 uses the same engine but AWD LS500’s use a cartridge style filter and RWD models use a spin on canister.

Not sure what availability is like for the RWD variant oil filters.

 

So alternates to the Toyota/Denso filter, this is the same filter as used by the RWD Lexus LS500:

1.)

$17 K&N HP-1003 K&N Premium Oil Filter: Protects your Engine: Compatible with Select TOYOTA/LEXUS/SUZUKI/CHEVROLET Vehicle Models (See Product Description for Full List of Compatible Vehicles), HP-1003

K&N HP-1003

2.) Mobil 1 M1-103

There are others, thread pitch is 3/4-16. Outside diameter 2.69”-2.75” depending on manufacturer. Height 2.92”-3.13” depending on manufacturer, the K&N has a hex nut shaped protrusion for easy removal that adds height.

Other filters with similar diameter and thread pitch can be had to increase filter area with a taller canister. For example a Wix 51391 or Mobil 1 M1-102 which use the same size gasket and thread pitch but are a longer filter.

 

Today's new machining processes are very accurate. That said, the most wear occurs in break-in along with any particulate metals, etc. missed during cleaning and final assembly getting trapped by the filter. Old school was changing the oil at 500 Miles. I just do it at 1000 Miles and then twice annual intervals based on my driving at roughly 6000/4000 mile intervals. I rarely tow but will change the Differential oil out this fall before it gets cold and then every three years after this or at 30000 Miles intervals driving. This just me and I like working on cars. The opposite end of the spectrum was my dad who always ran his Toyota's hard and towed a Bass boat changing the oil at recommended intervals. His last 4Runner at 250K had the original clutch and only changed out the brakes when required.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n9wNkbMe7iY

 

Haha! Love him ripping on the super bowl commercial. Agreed, almost no ones buys a Toyota to keep up with the latest gee whiz bang gimmick. Leave that to Ford. First and foremost we are looking for to hell and back reliability.

 

It's disturbing that Toyota is not communicating anything to the customer who just dropped $70k on a truck. What's more disturbing is that Toyota is still sweeping this under the rug and pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. It could be simply due to the fact that they don't have answers yet, or because they believe the issue will continue. How do we know that the current replacement part isn't defective as well? Is it just a band-aid or the exact same part which will also eventually fail and it simply "buys" Toyota time? There has been ZERO clarification from Toyota on this problem. Based on the Superbowl add and hush mentality, all they care about is continuing to sell trucks with obvious quality control issues. This is not good business practices and certainly not what I have come to expect from Toyota. It's apparent that Toyota QC is sub-standard and I can only hope they can recover from this, but it certainly looks cloudy at this point.

 

Considering trucks are still coming off the line with this issue I’m thinking all the turbos have the potential to fail and will recall all of them once they have a solid supplier in line to support the demand. But for now they don’t want to fill Toyota lots with tundras that they don’t have parts for. I have heard of a few dealers telling customers to just drive it as is because they don’t want to put the same faulty part back in.

 

Dang that is effing terrible!!

 

A lot of speculation and conspiracy theory thinking in this thread. Has Toyota or any manufacturer ever come out publicly to give information about an issue other than a recall?

 

Of course not, but times are changing. The inter webs allow us peasant customers to share information with the whole world now that 20 years ago would have been localized and limited in scope. A car maker could count on fewer people finding out.

That ship has now sailed, and is charging over the horizon so fast the smoke from the funnel is no longer visible. Now everyone paying attention or researching knows about this issue. We can get together and keep data on the cases we know about and share it with everyone.

Toyota wants to pretend like they can contain this, and they’re wrong.

 

No, and isn't that the point? The fact that Toyota is keeping customers in the dark with no contact or updates regarding their rigs is unacceptable. All manufacturers will be shady to avoid public scrutiny, and that is expected. However, when I drop $70k on a product and the manufacturer of that product doesn't respond to my calls, emails, or avoids communication with me to address my concerns is concerning.

The problem with many people is that they accept mediocrity, or are in denial and want to feel warm and fuzzy about their purchase to justify it. This is common and probably expected amongst many buyers as the last thing we want to do is admit we made a major purchase on a problematic/inferior product. I am guilty of this line of thinking as well.

Lastly, I don't think this is speculation as there have been many documented cases. But, the fact that Toyota is being deceitful leads me to believe there are many more trucks with issues than we think. That part of my thinking is speculation.

 

There have been plenty of official comments and investigations prior to official recalls.

Additionally Toyota typically has not been one to delay official recalls to hide in cluster of others. Manufactures often sit on them till another recall is announced then a bunch would flood out hoping to get lost in the mix.
I think NHTSA is now requiring manufacturers to disclose the date they first learned of the issue to dissuade delaying it. I think Hyundai was fined over this.

If it comes out Toyota NA has been sitting on this......

 

Are you talking about recalls or TSB's... Recalls generally are safety related and I would not expect a recall on this issue unless it causes accidents or the vehicle to catch on fire.

A TSB is a different story, but they have no obligation to contact you when there is a TSB on your vehicle.

 

Not saying that there are not cases, but I have not seen any "documented" cases. I have seen a few posters claiming turbo issues. I have a hard time believing everything I read on any forum. Hopefully this all gets sorted out as I plan on buying once the madness stops

 

You are probably right, all those people posting photos of diagnostic codes, check engine light errors, repair invoices, etc are the biggest bunch of attention nuts this side of Mike Lindell.

The Feds need to get an NTSB Go team on deck to properly “document” this issue for you.

 

Where are all of these posted photos?

 

This is an excellent point. Most manufacturers would take that route I believe Ram is seeing a spate of failed wastegate actuator‘s on their diesel turbo chargers and is refusing to recall them.

However Toyota is generally more proactive about these things at least if their is a potential hazard. Windshield wipers , high beams, turn signals and fuel pumps are certainly not what I would say are absolutely high end of safety critical items where a sudden failure would cause a crash. However Toyota has recalled all of those. I think the closest is they had a hybrid system recall on a sensor that shut down part of the hybrid system and reduced power. Certainly a sudden unexpected reduction in power while towing or in steep terrain could considered a hazard if one were to take a conservative approach to these things as Toyota typically has.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tY4bZnxPL_0

 

I’m not sure how Toyota is being deceitful… last I saw someone mentioned they had a wastegate issue and will have the car repaired within a week so it seems Toyota is improving the response to get cars repaired more quickly. It seems they’re making a concerted effort to solve this issue even if they don’t make us aware of it.

 

Here are a couple.

 

Please explain how they are making a concerted issue to solve the turbo issue?

 

Sounds like they’re sending out field service engineers and design engineers to support the dealers, they’re collecting the parts to root-cause the issue, and sounds like they’re pushing out parts to the dealers sooner.

 

Mr. Hamilton, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

Maybe, but no I just don’t see any evidence that they have this figured out for the end user. Brand new trucks are still breaking and customers are being left in the dark.