Boy am I glad I kept my 21 and NOT buy the 22 Tundra

I believe so. The XD with the smaller Cummins.

 

Finally got around to picking up my '21 1794 today. Man, what an engine. Smiled the whole long drive home.

 

Were you OK on the power steering rack re-call?

 

I have a 21 TRD Pro and just received my official notification to schedule the power steering inspection today. We’ll see how it goes, fingers crossed.

 

Good luck...our Pro just passed the inspection yesterday...I understand the trepidation...

 

Ya, all clear.

 

Noice!

 

Haven't received anything yet and checked Toyota's recall campaign site showing no safety recalls. Is this recall specific to certain build months?

 

https://www.autobytel.com/toyota/tundra/2021/car-recalls/

 

I know that there are lots of decent turbo motors out there. But with the tundra you're comparing it to maybe the most reliable motors ever. I just can't convince myself that less cylinders and higher pressures will yield more longevity. Good news is that in a few years the hotshot delivery guys will put that argument to rest...the v8 results are very clear.

One of the 1M mile tundra guys said he did oil every 10k. So if you're paying for 2x the oil changes, doesn't that cancel out the marginal MPG gains? Not to mention having to replace the truck earlier.

 

Yeah but when you go to replace the v8 truck what's there to replace it with and then there's the market adjustment price over MSRP...guess I better stock up on bulk oil & filters...

 

We’ll do the math.

Let’s say an oil change with filter costs approximately $60.00 for 7.5qts of synthetic oil and a filter.

In 1,000,000 miles at a 10,000 mile OCI that is $6,000 in oil change costs for a 3UR-FE.

Assuming (and this is hilariously generous) 17 MPG average fuel efficiency and $3.25/gallon: 1,000,000 miles will use 58,824 gallons of gasoline costing $191,178.00.

So a 5.7L Tundra that needed no work at all out of warranty that does 1,000,000 miles will cost $197,179.00 in fuel, oil, and filters to run to that mileage.

If you want to run 10,000 mile oil change intervals on a new Tundra oil change costs are identical. If we halve it to 5,000 miles it is double at $12,000 for 1M miles worth.

The new truck I will also grant the magical EPA highway number of 22MPG average.

1,000,000 miles will use 45,455 gallons at $3.25/gallon is $147,729.00 in fuel.

Even adding $12K in oil changes puts running costs at $159,759.00 for 1,000,000 miles. A savings of $37,420.00.

So yeah, the new truck will still be less expensive to run. You could literally almost buy another new truck with the savings.

 

I doubt either trucks (V8 or V6-TT) will last 1000,000 miles on a consistent basis.

However for those who keeps their trucks for a very long time (over 15 years), I would suggest the V8.

regarding the money and gas saving ... anyone buying a nice truck shouldn't be concerned with $50-70 gas savings per month if that.

If you want to get that picky about a few dollars here and there, then you should revisit and rethink everything else you spend money on. For example I have a lot of duplicate tools and keep buying more

If you want or need a new truck like the new V6, then buy it. If you like your V8 (which you should) then don't worry about paying extra $50 gas per month. imho, trading the truck just for that one reason is crazy!

 

Finally saw one in person.


I think Honda better step up their game! Appears Toyota is gunning for their market!

 

Props for spelling all that out. No question that the more miles you drive, the more MPG matters. However:
-the avg person never gets close to 1m miles on one car. If the avg american drives 10k per year, you can do that math. If most ppl keep the truck for 25 years, put 300k miles on it, you have to reduce those gas savings to 1/3rd
-gas prices(along with motor oil) are such a huge variable. Think about how different your calculation would've looked a couple years ago. So that's actually your best argument for the 2022...betting against future gas price rises.
- you're assuming the ttv6's will have the same exact maintenance and reliability numbers that the v8s do, and like i said, i seriously doubt it will. So if you have to replace the v6 at 500k, there goes your savings.
-i know you were generous with the v8 too, but I'm very interested to see if the v6 really does avg 22mpg. What i hear from the ttv6 ford guys is that they only get better mpg with an empty truck. So if you're those hotshot guys and most of your 1m miles are loaded down, the mpg delta may not be as large as we think.

ALL that said, agree or disagree, i think we all agree on this: Doing business with these toyota stealerships SUCKS. So i went with the vehicle that'll keep me out of their $ traps for as long as possible

 

If you had to replace both turbos at 500K you’re still money ahead. You think turbos are going to cost over $17K to replace?

Further depending on where you live, my gas calculations at only $3.25/gallon are very optimistic on the low side. Run that at $4.00/gallon and it turns really ugly: $235,294 in fuel alone for a 3UR-FE for 1M miles, and $181,818 in fuel for the V35A-FTS. That is $53,476 in your pocket, that will buy a lot of turbos if needs be.

If you’re one of those poor bastards in California paying near enough $5.00/gallon it’s even worse. Average price in Cali right now is $4.68/gallon. If you’re in the market for a 1/2 ton and only keep your rig 5 years with an average of 15,000 miles per year there’s still savings to be had assuming you don’t just elect to keep driving your paid off rig (the smart choice 99% of the time). In this scenario if you are choosing between a 2021 Tundra and a 2022 (assuming Toyota un-fucks the 3rd Gen soon) using EPA average numbers of 15MPG for the 2021 and 19MPG for the 2022 over a 5 year 15K mile/year span of 75,000 miles we get:

2021 Tundra will use 5,000 gallons for 75,000 miles over that period. If fuel stays at $4.68/gallon that is $23,400 in fuel.

2022 Tundra will use 3,947 gallons for 75,000 miles over that period. Again at $4.68/gallon that is $18,472 in fuel.

A savings of $4928.00. Is just under $1,000 a year a significant enough savings to make it worth it for that poor Californian? I don’t know, but if the truck also makes more power and has more “stuff” and costs less to run maybe it’s the better choice? Assuming normal market prices etc.

At California level horrid prices even the lackluster fuel economy of the iForceMax average of 21 MPG almost breaks even in 5 years at 75,000 miles. Within about $1300 extra for the hybrid once running cost savings are factored in.

 

Getting a 2022?

 

Honestly undecided.

Probably not a 2022 model year, but maybe a 2023 or 2024. Toyota has issues with the new truck they need to sort out, and I’m not enthused about the idea of being a beta tester during a time of parts supply shortages and dealer price gouging.

So I am sitting the current market out. If I had to replace my current 2007 right away I’m not sure what route I would take. It wouldn’t be a 2021 Tundra due to poor fuel economy since I don’t see fuel prices going down until at least 2025. The 2022 isn’t ready for prime time it seems, and other manufacturers have their issues as well. If my truck got totaled tomorrow I would probably just drive one of my other vehicles until fall or winter and sit on the cash and then make a decision based on how Toyota handles things. If they continue romancing the dog, I would probably strongly consider a domestic truck given the fact I get vendor pricing with the big three.

 

I am under no delusions that the new Tundra isn’t more efficient and more powerful. And the longer I keep my ‘21, the more I will be driving a very thirsty truck as fuel continues to steadily increase in price, especially as the USA continues to restrict energy production.

I'm operating under the fairly safe assumption that if I just feed and care for it, it'll do what I need it to every time for as long as I care to keep it. Those million-miler guys drove what, 77k miles per year? I drive more than the average bear, and I'm not even at a quarter of that.

 

Not a bad strategy. One option I have considered is spending the money to refresh my current 2007 and just keep driving it.

I could use some new sheet metal and paint due to some rust on body shop replaced panels. Plus a new windshield. I need to replace a catalytic converter on the driver’s side bank. Aside from that a larger fuel tank and a new head unit with integrated Bluetooth audio would be nice.

Then just keep driving it rather than spend an outrageous amount of money on a new truck.

 

Fuel economy seriously needs to be an after thought when it comes to trucks. They aren't for everyone and the majority of us that own a truck know that it's a pay to play world. If one can't afford it, don't buy it.

 

So you’d be cool with your Tundra if it got 6MPG because pickup truck and “pay to play”?

At some point mileage becomes unacceptable.

 

I'm just at a point in my life where this type of stuff is a drop in the bucket when it comes to my business and day to day lifestyle. Even if my truck got 1 mpg, I'd figure out a way for it to not put a dent in my bank account. Like I said, people either can afford it, or they can't. Some people don't need a lengthy analysis to figure out if a vehicle purchase and its other costs are feasable.

 

I have a 70 Chevelle SS 396 and it too gets crappy gas mileage and is expensive to drive nowadays. That said I will NOT be selling it over lousy gas mileage and the price of gas because I bought it for other reasons!

 

That gas milage math is a real eye opener. But I still hate the 22' and won't ever buy one. This 21' is my last toyota ever I think. All their new stuff is gross and they don't have the reliability they built their name on anymore.

I've owned 4runner, (2) tacomas and a highlander before this Tundra. So I'm not a fly by night toyota guy. They've lost the plot and I will be moving on for my next truck in a few years.

 

heh, heh, heh..... she's just setting the stage in case you get any wonky ideas !

 

couldnt agree more!

 

Some of my Muscle cars at Wide Open Throttle I’d bet are very very lucky to be get’n 2-3 mpg. And worth every penny!

 

You forgot the turbo replacement every 200k miles. That's a 10k dollar repair bill every time.

 

Also, let’s see the mileage numbers for the ‘22 after lifting, with bigger tires, loaded with racks,,armor, winches and such. Betcha the mpg’s will be very close to the 2.5 gen if not worse.