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Trailer GVWR vs Vehicle ratings

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by pman9003, Feb 3, 2022.

  1. Feb 3, 2022 at 12:21 PM
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    pman9003

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    I was doing some reading on various sites/forums was hoping someone here could help me.

    A few people have said that the GVWR of your trailer cannot legally exceed the the tow ratings of your tow vehicle in some states. Though they didn't specify if that means the tow rating or GCWR.

    This seems wrong to me and I have tried to find a law like this and have come up with nothing. All I have seen is anecdotes online, but no actual state laws that match this. Only looking for laws pertaining to regular folks, I know CDL is a whole different ball game.

    Seems highly unlikely that there is a law on the books anywhere the says such a thing. For example, that would make simply towing the trailer below unloaded (~2800lbs) with a Tundra illegal. That just seems wrong.

    https://www.bigtextrailers.com/14ee-tandem-axle-equipment
     
  2. Feb 3, 2022 at 1:58 PM
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    Here is a fine example. My GMC is rated for 11500 lbs. The gooseneck trailers I tow are rated for 16000 lbs.

    My GCWR is 27500 lbs. My GCWR of the truck is 25300 lbs.

    Two things:

    -I am technically 2200 lbs over the manufactures weight rating if I in fact load my truck and trailer to maximum capacity.

    -I am also over the 26001 lb rule for needing a Class A CDL.

    None of this applies since I’m not in commerce. In 2021 I was pulled into a DOT checkpoint with my truck/trailer and tractor. The DOT officer informed me I was overweight for the manufacturer GVWR. My reply “I know, and it would matter if I was in commerce”…
    She smiled and said “have a nice day”.


    Now if you are ever deemed in commerce by you opening your big mouth (example):

    “Yeah I rented this skid steer for a landscaping side job”

    What you should say:

    “I rented this skid steer for personal use”.


    So in your situation:

    tundra GVWR 7200 (well mine was, yours might be different) and a GCWR of 16000 lbs.

    You hook to that 14k rated trailer you have the potential to be at 21,200 lbs which is a tad over the 16000 lbs.

    I had a 14k rated trailer like the one you linked with my Tundra. Personally, the 7k axles/brakes are a dream to own. No way I would go smaller. If buying a new trailer, you can get the manufacturer to derate the trailer as well.
     
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  3. Feb 3, 2022 at 2:10 PM
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    It could be a liability if you caused an accident and were above GVWR, GAWR, and/or GCWR. I figure it’s best to keep it within those criteria. So for Tundra, let’s say you don’t exceed GAWR and you want the vehicle at GVWR (7200 lbs) and total combination at GCWR (16000 lbs) after hooking up the trailer.
    That means your max trailer weight plus hitching equipment will be 9778 lbs and your vehicle weight needs to be at 6222 lbs. That’s pretty close to the max trailer weight advertised by Toyota (9800 lbs).

    Finally, even though your trailer GVWR is X, it can actually weigh less.

    You can tow a huge 28 ft 14,000 lbs GVWR box trailer with your Tundra but it may be empty (weighs 5000 lbs empty maybe). So you can prove you’re not exceeding the ratings.

    Ultimately it’s up to you to decide what is comfortable.
     
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  4. Feb 3, 2022 at 4:15 PM
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    So I'm not actually buying that trailer or any other trailer at the moment. However it demonstrates the scenario I am trying to find legislation about perfectly. I appreciate the responses, but that wasn't quite the info I was looking for. I'm already well versed in the various load ratings and how to stay safe/legal.

    So focusing on the snippets of your posts. Lets say I have that trailer from my initial post, which according to Big Tex is 2800lbs dry (that seems light, but whatever its an example scenario)

    Tundra
    GVWR 7200
    GCWR 16000
    Curb weight 6400 (what my truck actually weighs with me in it)

    Trailer
    Curb weight 2800
    GVWR 14000

    Theoretical Max GCWR 21,200

    Pretend I am towing the trailer empty for the sake of argument
    GCW of truck and empty trailer ~9300

    Is there a state law anywhere in the US (for non CDL) that states this combination would be illegal due to the theoretical GCWR being over what Toyota has rated the truck for? Are there really states where you could get a ticket for this? I can find no such law, but have seen it posted elsewhere that such laws exist in some states.

    In my mind, as long as the actual weights are safely within all of the ratings for truck and trailer, then you are fine. As ColoradoTJ mentioned, a trailer with the beefier axles is nice to have even if you don't use it to capacity. There a safety benefits to that as well, which is why I'm curious to see if there are laws that would effectively prohibit this scenario.
     
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  5. Feb 3, 2022 at 6:50 PM
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    If you are not in commerce and can't be proven to be in commerce then you will never find a law stating you are illegal.

    Can you get a safety violation ticket? Yes. Those are spendy. If you use just an ounce of common sense (which you have shown at least a pound of common sense), this will never be an issue for you.
     
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