Turbo issue

It really seemed like BS. 500-1000 is a huge spread.

 

The post is bull I live near a Toyota dealership and we didn't know until we saw the facebook post of the off cab Tundra,.

 

This whole thread is bull. I know, because I saw it online somewhere *AND* I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

 

You can count on it....
Wouldn’t be a bit surprised to find it’s a completely different vendor making them.
Remember, Lexus is Toyota Motor’s flagship line. This brand is competing head to head with BMW, MB, Acura and Infiniti.
They can’t afford to cut too many corners. The affluent customers aren’t very patient, receptive to, “bring it back to our service dept and we’ll take care of it.”

Or that’s how how I see it...
I can tell ya, while teching on MB(over 20 yrs ago), I was stunned at the warranty work we had to do on a high end, “premium” auto.
Was so liberating to escape to Infiniti where all I did was services, few warranty recalls(small switches & such), rarely saw a significant failure... worked right next to a Nissan tech at the dealer, abs he was always R&Ring radio sets, climate control modules etc.
THERE’S DEFINITELY A DIFFERENCE IN LINES. Or was.....

 

Toyota just cut the Tundra production in half. They’re blaming covid and parts supply issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Yc5PQvkVQ

 

The Turbo will be fully covered for at least 5 years 60k everywhere under powertrain warranty and 7 years 70k miles in CA, where I live, under emissions control warranty.

If the new turbo lasts that long, I would expect it to last at least twice as much after that.

 

This guy made a good point in his article.
https://www.torquenews.com/8113/all-new-toyota-tundra-not-standard/amp

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Vehicles are made in exact replicas one after another. That means if one vehicle has an issue, the whole batch will likely end up with the same problem. While we do not know how many Tundra pickups will have the problem, I can tell already it will be plenty."

 

But the engines are made in Alabama. And the turbos are made somewhere else. And not all vehicles are exactly the same. Definitely many are having problems. You either have this issue or you don’t. It’s not likely that suddenly you’ll have an issue years down the line.

 

That's what we're all hoping for. Last thing anybody want is a ticking time bomb in their truck. I'm not so concerned about the 5k repair bill but more on the possibility of stranding my family in the middle of nowhere while we disperse camp. There is no magic number on when or if this turbo issue will ever pop up. Hopefully Toyota will make an official announcement to ease some of these concerns.

 

I just spoke to my Toyota dealer's sales manager about the turbocharger This is a direct quote. I wrote it down to make sure I did not mess it up.

"We have not seen any issues. This brand is known for reliability. I doubt they would release it before perfecting it."
I think he really could be telling the truth on the first part not seeing any issues as well as the 2nd part that Toyota is not communicating anything about this to their dealer network.
Or he could just be complete full of BS.

On that note, I think with all the claims and counter claims out there we can agree on a few things

- No one outside Toyota knows for absolutely certainty how many trucks may be affected and even if Toyota knows, to this point they aren't telling anyone what that number is.
- Reports continue daily of new owners experiencing this failure even on trucks delivered this week.
- From a pure feature and specification stand point this truck is not the "world beater" or "game changer" the latest commercials claim. From a feature and spec stand point it's just catching up to its competition
- The overall press on the new model has been positive, but not ecstatic. Unfortunately, this issue is starting to get mentioned more in more in the press on this model. Fair or not, it's not helping.
- If Toyota wants to convince 1st and 2nd Gen owners to make their next truck a 3rd Gen Tundra, Reliability is a must have. Without it, why not pay less and just get a Ram.
- Reliability and longevity is Toyota's killer app vs. the so called "disposable truck" competition.
- Toyota NA can ill afford the perception of unreliability. Unreliability combined with the increased price combined with the lack whiz bank features or specs will erode market share.

 

Well said. I don't see anything that makes one certain this is a done deal. Sometimes, they just clear code. Sometimes they replace driver side, sometimes passenger side. Some people still just waiting. Some people barely make it home from the lot before the code is thrown, others hundreds of miles in. Doesn't seem Toyota has definitively identified the issue or issues.

PS If it's both turbos, that's more like $9K. Pretty serious money. Certainly more than most first and second gen Tundra owners would plan on spending to keep things going.

 

Looks like the issue has made it to our northern brothers.

 

Where are you seeing "daily" reports of the turbo failure on recent deliveries? The last date I can find of a new problem is Jan 15 from the facebook page. Now there are daily reports of the same few people with problems, of course. Just wonder where you are getting your info.

 

You may have missed one on the FB page. See my post above yours.

 

Yep, that one posted after I looked a few hours ago. But sure don't see "daily" posts..

 

I think toyota is likely keeping unaffected dealers out of the loop in hopes that it wasn't widespread and they could quickly resolve it before having to send out some alarming memo to "beware selling the tundra" or something.

My dealership was also unaware initially, but after my fiasco the service manager had gotten confirmation and some other info after pestering toyota for my replacement part. Nothing about how many affected or what exactly the issue is but acknowledgment and word that trucks in transit were being brought back to check/replace parts, which may or may not have been true since people are getting trucks this week that seem to be affected.

 

Yeah, I am honestly not on there enough to keep track of it. I had just came in from working outside and that happened to be the very first post showing for me ha

 

You had the turbo problem? If you were in a remote area, would the truck be able to limp home with cargo? Did they replaced both or just one turbo? Any concerns or guarantees on the second turbo if only one was replaced?

 

Truck goes into limp mode (“reduced power”). If you cycle the ignition, it returns full power. But looks like it can keep highway speed with reduced power but acceleration performance is unknown.

 

Poor guy, looks like he’s in Newfoundland - Gander- if you think the wait for parts is long for continental states, imagine the poor guy on an island in the North Atlantic!

 

Not everyone is on that dumpster fire Facebook

 

If this a manufacturer defect, either of the part or engineering side, all of the trucks produced should be effected, sooner or later.

I was involved with a similar scenario almost 7 years ago with my GT3. Porsche knew there was an issue and voluntarily swapped engines on all cars sold. Almost nobody got spared, and almost all those engines failed sooner or later if not replaced.

That said, this could also be a quality control issue, in regards to how the truck was put together, or a user issue not understanding that parts in a new vehicle need a few hundred miles to actually break in. Not trying to blame the user here, but it is a possibility.

We just wait and see, time will tell. I got 270 miles on mine, fingers crossed. My assumption would be if I don’t get any issues the next 2k miles, and there is no recall on Toyota’s part, everything should be good.

 

I too had my ass covered by Porsche on an engine failure, and like the new Tundra, the techs pop off the body and insert new engine block. Done.

It's been a standard practice for years by many manufacturers, let alone F1 racing.

So many good peeps on here expressed near panic seeing the body off of the Tundra - ain't no biggie, folks.

Just find the root cause analysis of the waste gate and f'ing fix it - the build date of my 1794 is pushed back now a 4th time now to 2/10 so get it right - PLEASE!!

 

There isn't much known about this difference or a difference with the Land Cruiser and LX. I wonder if those engines and turbos are made in Japan with a better design?

 

yea you can find my older posts in this thread for more but like someone said it goes into reduced power mode until you cycle it, although I didn't feel it much. I drove mine on the highway the rest of the way home and all the way to the dealer just fine. If the light was flashing I would've been a bit more freaked out about driving it. They only replaced one the "bank 1" turbo. I definitely have my own concerns although I'd imagine the second one would have butted its head by now. All they could offer is that one was affected and replaced with a good one and if something happens again, bring it in, but what else can they really say.

 

Wow, I hope it’s not hat many, but I have no idea. The guy from the Automotive Press posted a video stating that he believed the number was quite low - like 12 maybe - but he acknowledged that was his guess. Regardless, it needs to get fixed and I believe Toyota will make it right.

 

Neither is the sale of every new truck. So who knows what the ratio actually is. ‍

I take delivery of mine in a couple hours. The way I'm looking at this is the vast majority do not have this problem. The chances are, "and they are good chances, very good chances, they tell me these are the best chances we have ever seen, nobody has chances like these", the chances are that my truck will be just fine. So if we assume it's a 10% probablility, that means I'm still 90% to the good.

If someone told you you had a 90% chance of winning the lottery and even if you ended up losing they would fix your ticket so that you still won, would you buy a ticket ?

 

Risk is determined by probability AND consequences. For me a 10% probability of having the serious consequences of a bad turbo would be too much risk. For you it may not be. But you are correct, we don't really know what % of vehicles are having this defect so there is really no way to even guess the risk. In any case, good luck with your new truck.

 

A lottery is a minuscule, small outlay for a really big payout. You are paying MSRP (maybe more) for a depreciating asset.
A 10% probability is seriously high risk. This turbo situation can't be anywhere near that bad. Congrats on your new vehicle.

 

I was exaggerating and trying to oversimplify it. I think my only real worry, and it's not a worry yet, is if this problem turns into something long term. Hopefully this all blows over, the affected trucks get fixed, owners are happy with the outcome, and in 6 months its a thing of the past.