2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

"Reliable" only matters to those keeping vehicles beyond warranty.

Ford does so well because of several things.
First, they sell a lot to municipalities who only care about up-front costs
Second, car rental places care zero about reliability. Every modern vehicle is "good enough" under warranty.
Third, people who only lease or keep vehicles short term, under warranty, don't worry much about reliability.

Consumer Reports seems to be reporting on a metric most don't care about.

 

I disagree, I have heard of several people being without their brand new trucks for a month or more because it needed a new engine or transmission. That is completely unacceptable to me, but those people will just say o well it's under warranty.

 

Why disagree? For you, personally, you know better.
Most people don't mind a little warranty gamble to get the hotness.

 

The Tundra is cheaper to own even under warranty... despite poorer MPG (and this is using EPA ratings which are inflated for other makes) and higher insurance.

Any guess why that is?

Plus the hassle of something breaking down and needing to have it fixed even under warranty should be worth a lot to pretty much anyone.

 

I disagree because even if I only kept my vehicles for a few years, reliability would still matter to me. I will agree that many people could care less about reliability or just don't know any different. I couldn't tell you how many times I've heard on a fishing forum, it's been a great truck, I only had to reach the transmission at 150000 miles and other maintenance like the water pump and alternator. I'm sitting here thinking that's not reliability, I replace tires, batteries and brakes.

 

Fun to read this back-and-forth about the 22 Tundra. Though I have to say the last few pages of this thread have gotten kinda repetitive.

The bolded part, I've heard that Toyota will fix issues like this that aren't necessarily explicitly stated in the warranty, however I have my own story about this.
3rd gen Tacoma, not Tundra. Back seat seatbelts were rusted to shit for no god damn reason. No, I didn't spill water back there, and even if water somehow condensed in the backseat ONLY (the front seats were fine), they shouldn't have rusted to that extent. I am pretty sure it was an electrical current problem, improperly wired or grounded. Took it to Toyota dealer and they said sorry it'll cost $770 to replace the seat belt brackets. Felt like a slap in the face. I cleaned it up myself and dumped the Tacoma for my 2004 Tundra, and haven't looked back since.

I guess Toyota is not always very customer service-oriented. Or it could just be a shitty dealership location (they also happily detailed my 3rd gen Tacoma for $250 when they hoped I would trade it in, but when I wanted my Tundra detailed they stone-faced said they haven't offered detailing services for the past year. Stone-faced. I mean, it's in your own fucking database that I personally had a truck detailed here a few months ago.)

 

I think Toyota is pretty good. People suck. There’s a lot of really sucky dealers out there. Look at how many are charging 10k over msrp then telling you that every dealer is charging over msrp so it’s totally normal. Garbage people trying to steal from stupid people.

 

It's not just Toyota Dealers, its most of the car Dealers, there trying to make up the loses for the passed two years. It will be about a year until this problems goes away.

Back to the Fords I had a F350 with electric problems, was in the shop 6 times in three years.
It was in the shop on and off for 3 months. The last 3 times they had it. I had to wait 2-3 weeks before they would look at it.
After the 36,000 mile warranty ran out they wanted to charge me $2,000 to fix it.
No thanks. Reliability is everything.

 

Agreed. My time is worth so much more to me than dealing with issues that the dealer “can’t reproduce” until the warranty expires. And I know people have problems with Toyotas; they just occur at a far lower rate.

The F150 wins on paper every single time. But when getting 300k trouble-free miles is the main goal of my truck ownership, a Ford is close to the very last choice I’ll ever make.

 

Just my opinions too. Although some things are fact, like the gear ratios.

 

A low-end F-150 3.5EB has a significant power advantage over the detuned Tundra SR. I don't get why Toyota detuned the SR, but for me that's one step too far. Even against a crappy Ford

 

How many people buy SR's or XL's though? Even the contractors around here are mostly sporting XLT's at a minimum and half the guys are buying platinums as tax writeoffs.

As for the detune, I have no idea. I wonder if they are running a lighter axle or other driveline components as well like how the 4.6L did vs the 5.7L.

 

Yeah I get what you are saying.
But the point originally being made was low-end 3.5EB being compared to a SR.

Not that fleet owners even care, but it's still a significant difference

 

This is true, because most people don't drive very far. The average American drives 13,500 miles a year. Unless you plan on keeping your vehicle for >20 years, most people don't care if a Tundra can hit a million miles, because they will probably be dead before their car gets there. My F150 is a 2014 and I bought in in Feb of 2015 and it is not at 100k miles yet. At the current rate it will be another 7 years before I hit 200k and I really don't care if it goes beyond that because my life will probably change and I will probably need a different vehicle for one reason or another.

So why put so much weight in reliability? This premise that Ford's, GM's, and Ram's are leaving people on the side of the road continuously at even 100k miles is just silly.

 

Because dealing with breakdowns is a PITA. Driving something you can't trust, leaving it in the shop, etc.

And the Tundra is the cheapest fullsize to own simply because it holds it's value far better than the competition. Win-win. But you might have to give up a few shiny bobbles...

 

and v8 engines

 

With Less HP/Less Torque/Less MPG

 

Best part of this new design

 

Are you fuckin serious? This is where we're at now? Why would someone care about RELIABILITY?

I understand there are features people don't like about the 22 Tundra but this shit is getting repetitive and going way too far, to the point that you're actually insinuating that reliability is irrelevant or should be ignored. Essentially you're saying "why care about that when you can get these other features with Ford/GM/Dodge?" Why put so much weight in reliability?

At the end of the day the Tundras will sell because reliability is important to many people. If you can see that some people value reliability more, understand that people look for different things in trucks, end of story. If you are seriously implying that you're unable to see WHY people put weight in reliability, as if it's an invalid thing, then I'm appalled.

Why even participate in this forum to repetitively go on-and-on about how unsellable Tundras are? It's almost like you (and others) are just trying to convince yourselves that the 22 Tundra sucks.

Oh and I personally think the 2022 Tundra is fucking disgusting, hate it. I also hate when things go from legitimate criticisms to dumbass statements that only serve to express your feelings. 3rd Gen Tundra is becoming an unreadable echo chamber with a bunch of new members expressing latent buyer's remorse over their Ford/GM/Dodge by bashing the concept of mechanical RELIABILITY, it's just ridiculous.

 

we’ll see about that after I test drive one and they are on the road for a bit, it’s not automatic everyone likes it better. That said , yes on paper it should perform well

 

But again, this is nonsense. People are not being regularly left on the side of the road by Ford, GM and Ram trucks. You guys act like if you ever bought anything besides a Toyota you'll be walking to work half the time, which is completely false.

Lol. Cool off. When did I say reliability has zero importance. I said why put so much weight in it? You act as if you cannot get to work in any other brand other than a Toyota without breaking down constantly. Its sad.

I am here because I own one Toyota that shares engines with the Tundra and because I am extremely interested in the 2022+ Tundra, IF its a better truck for towing and other truck things I need it to be good at. So far, with the exception of the payload capacity, I think its probably the best half ton for towing. Reliability is a plus, but I am not going to make it my only data point like some of you apparently do.

If its not the best truck, and it doesn't perform better for my needs, I will glad go buy another Ford, GM, or Ram and deal with the absolutely horrific reliability[/sarcasm]. I am also not a brand loyal fanboi. I've owned GM's, Ford, Subarus, Toyotas, Jeeps, etc. They all have their pros and cons and, with the exception of the Jeep, were all pretty dang reliable.

 

haha I’ve had tow trucks come for a Ford and Chevy. And twice barely made it to the shop before my Chevy died, so bullshit.

 

Take better care of your trucks? Were they even trucks?

If it was that bad then GM and Ford wouldn't be selling 5x as many 1/2 ton trucks every year as Toyota . . . . each. Everyone would be butthurt like you.

 

LOL. Yes they are pickups. Serviced exactly per the owners manual and not abused. I’m not butthurt in any way. You claimed people weren’t getting stranded.

 

I dunno, the sensationalized press on the sudden unintended acceleration hammered Toyota's US sales and market share pretty hard back then. I'm sure it sold a lot of adds on infotainment news as well.

 

I don't understand why some of you guys are so salty that members of a Toyota Tundra enthusiasts website actually like Toyotas. No one is forcing you to be here; I'm sure the F150 forum is accepting new members.

 

^^THIS^^...So take a f1shitty comments to the f1shitty forums, because you not gonna get any love here with them-

 

Exactly.
"I think Fords are better, the Tundra sucks! Reliability is not important, I like GM's, Fords, Subarus, Toyotas, Jeeps. The Tundra doesn't fit my needs!"

Okay? Thanks for telling me about your needs over and over, fuck off now?

 

People make decisions for lots of different reasons. I have family members who have had ATROCIOUS luck with Ford, but it’s the only truck they’ll buy. In their words: they don’t trust Ram, won’t buy a GM because of bailouts, and they think all their money leaves the US if they buy a Toyota. The GM owners I know have had horrible luck with Ford, won’t take a chance on a Ram, and still think all their money goes overseas if they buy a Toyota truck. The Ram owners I know all say they got more off MSRP than the others would offer, and they keep very quiet about their experiences.

All that to say, the overwhelming majority of people I know—particularly truck owners—are EXTREMELY tribal. They pick one, stick with it, and deal with whatever issues it may have. And I’m over here driving a completely non-eventful truck that is a bit thirstier than the rest.

Also, my stupid Yukon XL has stranded my wife twice. Not coincidentally, there are two times in our ownership that she didn’t absolutely love that thing. We take lots of trips and both of our families mostly live out-of-state. I couldn’t talk her into a 4Runner or Sequoia, so my truck is the default trip vehicle now.

A couple other examples: My FIL’s ‘15 F150 has been back to the dealer for a handful of recalls and had to be towed to the shop once so far due to electrical issues. He doesn’t mind at all. Won’t buy anything else. He likes that they’re #1 in sales and built “Ford tough™“. My grandpa has had lots of Fords over the years. He goes back for whatever recalls (including repeated issues with paint peeling), pays for whatever happens outside of warranty, and sticks with them. He’s a Ford man. When I bought my Tundra, he just had to remind me of Pearl Harbor. Doesn’t matter how much more reliable Toyota is; he would never be caught dead in one.

 

@Terndrerrr my grandpa was a die hard Ford guy as well. He was appalled when I bought a Dodge and is probably now rolling over in his grave that I’m driving a Toyota.

I had one work Ford F-150 go in for electrical issues that requires a tow. Another one was running like shit with 60k miles and had to have exhaust valves replaced.