What mpg will make you move on to 3rd gen?

The only problem with your logic is everything I've read would say the real world fuel economy of the Taco is pretty similar to the 2nd gen Tundra.

 

My buddy just bought a half ton duramax and he is getting 28+ mpg’s consistently. It’s a nice rig

 

Maybe when you are towing heavy on the Tacoma. The rest of the time which for most people is 90%+ of the time you are not towing and you get lots better MPG than the Tundra. So no. their is no problem with my logic, I want and most people want an MPG upgrade.

 

I hear you but purchase price and repair bills are to be considered as well. A 2nd gen Tundra gets poor fuel economy but historically it's cheaper than comparable trims from the domestics, and the repair bill is FAR lower. Not to mention time that the truck is out of service while you're either fixing it in your driveway or waiting on the dealer or shop to get to it.

Give me a truck that is always ready to go and will always get me back from remote places, and I'll gladly pay $600-700 more per year in fuel.

 

Buddy has an F150 Ecoboost 3.5.
Same setup as mine.
Mileage is better on highway only.

Twin 6 isn't everything it's cracked up to be..probably even from Toyota. At least for awhile.

They are into hydrogen right now. Latest car ran 860 miles on a charge (battery, not tesla)

We have aways to go.

 

Buy a second car, no truck is gonna out mpg a car

 

Jeez. "Nobody buys a truck for gas mileage." (Make sure you deepen your voice and flare your elbows so you look manlier.) Nobody buys a truck if their main concern is gas mileage. But to imply that gas mileage shouldn't be a factor is just dumb.

 

If it wasn’t for dumbassed posts this place would be a lot quieter and a lot more boring.

 

Unfortunately for Toyota I think a lot of the MPG-conscious truck buyers will be looking toward the F-150 lightning, which will probably get you 100 MPGe. Toyota needs to pivot to a PHEV Tundra or they will be toast in the full-size market. Electrification is the way of the world.

 

Not quite yet. Our electrical infrastructure cannot handle it. They already can’t keep the lights on in Cali.

 

Those are DD truck with light or empty load. It’s junk when long distance, or towing. Who want to tow 1 hour and wait 1 hour for the truck to charge.

 

Most people are not pulling anywhere near the towing capacity of their rig. Towing or not, there are 150,000 preorders for the F-150 Lightning, so someone is going to be driving it.

 

Assuming you can find an opening at a charging station.

 

So put the cost of the new truck into an investment instead. You could probably buy 2-3 high end fishing combos and pay for the gas each and every year.

 

lol yeah you keep thinking that when i pass you during winter in ND when its -20F and your f150 lightning truck is on the side of the road since it cant make it 60-80 miles cause you have to heat up the cabin and batteries to keep them warm. your distance is cut 50% or more due to how cold it is.

 

The BS, I mean hyperbole is getting deep.

 

Oh yeah! Well I will pass the elecyric guy AND all of you gas guzzlers on my horse and buggy when your truck runs out of gas cause you can't afford the 10 a gallon price tag to fill up your 12mpg beast.

 

I keep telling my self this as well. But day by day I keep having my doubts as I just might do it. Currently 20$ in gas (roughly 5 gallons) gives me 62 miles of driving range!

 

Well, I wont be driving through the middle of North Dakota in January so it shouldn't be an issue Regardless, I'm holding onto my Tacoma until the bugs are worked out of the new Tundra Hybrid and/or F-150 Lightning.

 

MPG will not be a factor for me. If you spend 40 to 50k on a truck and have to sweat gas prices, you bought more than you can afford.

 

well if its any consolation, even tesla's in nd lose about 1/2 range during the winters up here, there is no getting around how cold affects battery packs and range period. and its not just ND, its any northern tier state during the winters. electric only vehicles are great if you are in the southern warm belt states, but outside of that, unless its a city car only, you dont have much confidence driving those during winter if you have to travel any distance.

edit:

and to add, the only tesla superchargers in ND are on I-94 about 100miles apart cause they know those batteries will only last about 150 miles during winter up here at best.

fargo, nd
jamestown, nd
bismarck, nd
dickinson, nd

 

I would need to exceed $800/month or more in fuel costs to make me want to choose a different vehicle strictly for fuel economy gains, and if that were the case I would not be choosing a 1/2 ton pickup unless my job demanded that I do a lot of hauling stuff or towing (in which case I would be in a 3/4 or 1 ton anyway).

My 2nd Gen has been paid off free and clear for almost 10 years now, so the fuel economy as a way to save money argument makes zero sense in my case because I don't have a truck payment. Lacking a truck payment automatically puts my current total running costs so far below a new truck that given my mileage any given year, even if fuel was free for the new truck it would still cost me more money to buy a new truck.

Perhaps the more interesting question is in a hypothetical scenario where a Toyota dealer actually has an acceptably priced 2021 5.7L Tundra on the lot, and a new 2022 Tundra with similarly acceptable pricing, which one would is the more desirable truck? For those skeptical of the new iForce / 10 speed combo, or the iForceMax / 10 speed combo do the improvements in power, and fuel economy matter enough to choose the new 2022 over a 2021? Do the other improvements in the new truck like interior, ride quality, payload, towing, technology etc sway you towards the 2022 over the 2021 if both are available?

Answering only for myself, if both a 2021 TRD Pro and a 2022 TRD Pro were sitting on the lot the same day and priced at MSRP or somewhere in the realm of reality (not the current market) I would choose the 2022 every single time based on specs and features. Looking at the more basic trucks would be tougher, for example a base SR5 2021 5.7L V8 vs a base SR5 2022 with the standard iForce 3.5L TTV6. I suspect the new truck will drive a lot better and at my altitude will make noticeably more power so it would probably get the nod too. If the 2nd Gen were still offering the 4.6L 1UR-FE vs the 2022 base engined of the V35A-FTS there is no contest. In either case for me the new features and significant increase in power make the new truck a winner over the old truck assuming both were available.

Affecting my view of this is also the fact that the 2nd Gen Tundra up until the 2021 model year had a base engine and a more powerful optional engine. Discounting the first few model years where the 1GR-FE 4.0L V6 was offered, that no one bought, the base engine was the 4.7L 2UZ-FE until 2009, and then the 4.6L 1UR-FE from 2010-2020. Now the new base engine is the V35A-FTS. The top engine was the 5.7L 3UR-FE, and now it is the iForceMax hybrid V35A-FTS.

With this in mind I don't equate the 5.7L 3UR-FE iForce as equivalent to the new iForce 3.5L V35A-FTS. The new base engine isn't the replacement for the 5.7L, it's the replacement for the old 4.6L. The new big stick is the iForceMax, that is our 5.7L replacement.

So how many of you will be mad if pricing is similar to the old 4.6L trucks for the new iForce, and the upcharge to the iForceMax is similar to what it cost to go from the 4.6L to the 5.7L?

The old base 4.6L V8 made 310hp @ 5600RPM, and 327lb-ft @ 3400RPM; now the base engine is a 3.5L TTV6 making 389hp @ 5200RPM, and 479lb-ft @ 2400RPM.

The old optional 5.7L V8 made 381hp @ 5600RPM, and 401lb-ft @ 3600RPM; now the optional engine is a 3.5L TTV6 parallel hybrid making 437hp @ 5200RPM, and 583lb-ft @ 2400RPM.

At least that is how I view it at this time. The new base engine gained 79hp and 152lb-ft over the old base engine, along with 3 MPG in city and highway. The new optional engine gained 56hp and 182lb-ft over the old optional engine, with unknown fuel economy gains or losses.

 

MPG is not a factor for me buying a full sized truck. There are so many other options and features that influence my purchase decision. If the truck happens to get 20+ MPG, then I consider that a bonus.

 

Average new car costs 35k. I don't think this logic applies anymore. 10 years ago I'd of agreed.

For everyone else on here saying MPGs don't matter when they buy a truck. It's stupid to think about them yadda yadda yadda....

Good for you .

However for people who use their trucks for more than glamping. It matters. Selecting a fleet of work trucks that get 10mpg less than another comparable option is not a smart business decision.

Same goes for an independent contractor who buys a new truck every few years.

At 100.00 a fill up with gas prices only rising in the foreseeable future, MPGs matter to their bottom line.

 

The main equation here is mpg, if you ain’t driving 20k a year. It’s not gonna pay for itself.

 

unfortunately the hybrid portion of the power plant isn't focused on mpg so that isn't even a possibility at this point. it'll help tow those toys a little easier though and overall the extra vehicle size made a massive difference when I moved from my Tacoma to the Tundra

 

smiles per gallon motherfuckers! hahah

But for real, I'll wait a few years for the market/demand to cool off a bit then probably get a new one. Even with 35's, a lift, and my Four Wheel Camper, I'd rather get the low end 17mpg on the new tundra than the 12mpg I get now.

 

A lift, will be a big problem on new model, they got TSS, the front sensor may go haywire when lifted, may have to go dealer to calibrate or get factory lift.

 

Can't be that difficult, factory is gonna offer a 3inch lift as an accessory.

 

What if they only do spacer lift, and charge 2k… or they charge 4 to 500 for recalibrate the sensor??? They could charge what ever they want cause you don’t have a choice. Like the repair of an iPhone…