They won't sell me a TRD Pro Fox Suspension...

Looking to maybe purchase the TRD Pro Fox Suspension but having issues from dealers. I think I have heard of people running into this issue, but now that I am the one in this spot, figured I'd ask. I have a 2013 Crewmax 2wd front and rear TRD sway bars and the local dealers are telling me they will not sell me this suspension because it either doesn't fit or this is for 2019+. This doesn't seem true to me. To my knowledge the drivetrain, chassis, and suspension is the same from 2007-2021. Is this an incorrect assumption? Can anyone shed some knowledge on this topic and problem I am running into? It is very hard to believe a dealership doesn't want to take my money I am offering them.

 

It will fit. But you can do better for the money. If you are dead set on it just order online.

 

Told me the same thing. But Cool springs Toyota and some others sell them online.
I would search FB marketplace, this site, and OfferUp before ordering online and save yourself a lot of $.

 

Or just get king, Elka, or fox aftermarket shocks for about the same price right? Nothing really special about the factory stuff from what I can tell. Just make sure you get a softish spring rate if you want a factory like ride. I have a 737lb coil and it handles so nice, but it’s definitely bumpier than stock in the small daily driving stuff.

 

If you want a part from a 2019+ Tundra tell them that's what you have and they will sell you the part. Unless your dealer has them in stock and you want them right now the only way I would buy them from my local dealer is if they are giving me a discount similar to what I can get on-line or if I want to support the local dealer. My guess is that the parts guy didn't want to sell them to you and then have you return with them trying to return them after trying to install them (with them no longer looking brand new).

 

Recommendations on a better setup aside from just brand name?

 

What are you trying to do? From what I understand, and I could be wrong, the FOX TRD upgrade adds more ground clearance. Are you looking for more height? Do you want better handling off road (being a 2wd that may not be something you want)? Are you looking for a smoother ride on pavement? Or do you just want something that looks cool (which is fine)?

 

Will be doing absolutely no off-roading. Still want the truck to fit in the garage so I prefer no lift. At most I am OK with leveling the truck. Looking for a smoother "on-road" ride if possible.

 

Yeah. Probably not the right setup for you at all. Several aftermarket shocks available to custom tune shocks and pick your spring rate for what you want.
*I think you can do better for what you want for a lot less $

The TRD pro will lift the front end 2” -ish. I think the rear is a little stiffer imho.

Just curious, does your truck have the black shocks like the platinum and 1794?

**I need to backtrack a little, I think the overall ride is improved on my truck, but I did also change the tires and PLy(load ) rating. I had cheap stock shocks with a lot of weight prior.

 

Been down that road with my previous tundra. It’s was what I wanted and liked it but for what it is there are better options and less expensive

look into a old man emu nitro charger with 612 springs and adjustable shackles for the rear instead of a block

That’s what’s on my current tundra and for $1000 it’s well worth it and every bit as good as the $3500 you are going to spend with the trd pro equipment

It’s up to you but you can do a lot more mods with the $2500 savings.

 

I’ve seen them for sale on Amazon thru a dealership. Try checking. They will fit for sure but like others said. For the price you can get better

 

I have the original shocks that came with the truck. It is the SR5 package. Recommended company(s) to contact about aftermarket shocks? Was also considering Fox 2.5 with DSC.

 

I'd call Toytec @Toytec Lifts and tell them what you're looking for. I think they have Eibach springs available with their shocks where you can tune that spring rate for what you're looking for.

Also
Accutune @AccuTune Offroad,

I-shock was pretty helpful,

Downsouth motorsports https://downsouthmotorsports.com/?g...0xMz2pjjAAeO3FkVjnjVpaIEADlpeg3kaAgzAEALw_wcB

If you peruse the suspension thread, I'm sure you'll find a few other site vendors or mentions as well as recommendations.

 

Just be aware when putting an aftermarket kit together...depending on the kit and the lift height up front, you may need to get new UCAs. If you get new UCAs, you may need to get new wheels with a different offset so you can clear the new UCAs with bigger tires. This can quickly add up to a higher cost than the TRD Fox kit.

This was part of the appeal of the TRD Fox kit for me. Yes, it’s expensive, but it works with stock UCAs, stock wheels, and oversized tires (285/75R18) with no issues or hassles whatsoever.

 

Get a Falcon kit. Can keep the factory ride height if you want.

 

I for one love the Fox suspension on my Pro. I have had OME suspensions along with many others. I would put this at the top for mostly road driving and around the farm driving on bumpy paths and fields. No it’s not a top of line off road suspension but it’s not designed for that. Don’t let people underplay how smooth it is. I’ve hit pot holes going 45 and didnt feel a thing. Couldn’t say the same about others I’ve had. I don’t think it’s overpriced personally. I for one think it’s worth the price to have a smooth ride. And dont get me started on interstate driving. I have 4 friends with Tundras. I love all 4 trucks a lot. But not a one of the rides compares to mine and they admit it. If you like this suspension and it works for your truck, budget, and you can find it and wanting something that’s great for your needs then do it! You won’t be sorry.

 

In the event I do go with a new suspension that does not come stock on my truck (TDR Pro, Fox, Bilstein etc.) is there anything that I need to change on the truck for this new suspension? @Terndrerrr mentioned UCA. Is this necessary if I plan on either keeping the truck stock height with factory "front end rake" or leveling the truck?? I don't plan on running bigger tires either.

 

I'd go Teraflex Falcons as well. You can keep it stock height and it's so much smoother both on and off road.

 

Having owned a 2019 Pro and now ridden in a Tundra with the Fox 2.5 RRs, the Pros are quite a bit more comfortable for a daily driver. They probably wont serve as well at higher speed off road stuff, nor at things like adding bumpers. Im pretty certain the TRD setup has softer springs.

UCAs are not "necessary". Without them though you wont get as much travel out of the extended length options from Fox, King or Elka. By less travel I mean ~.5" less stroke length. Other than that aftermarket UCAs will typically push the caster a bit more positive and make steering a bit easier. Seems like Tundras do well even with 3" lifts on the stock UCAs. Ive seen plenty of people still getting 2.0 or thereabout with the stock stuff. By comparison my 2018 Tacoma with OE UCAs on 6112s at 2.5" only had 1.3 degrees of caster and was pretty squirrelly until I added SPCs. I actually added the SPCs and set the caster to 0 and drove it around, that was not fun. Needed constant steering input. Setting it to 4.0 actually made it steer more like a stock Tundra (Tundras are a bit easier to keep in line due to longer wheelbase).

Might want to consider wait times too though, especially with King. Even Fox is ~2+ months of wait right now from what Ive been told.

 

There's certainly plenty of good options and I'm not discrediting any of them, but don't let anyone talk you out of the TRD Pro Fox suspension. I've been extremely pleased with mine and don't regret the purchase. For me, I spend most of my time on the road and the ride is far better than stock. I also wanted to at least level the truck and these provide approx. 2" of lift in the front. Lastly, I wanted to stay with only OEM parts where possible. I bought the fronts from Sparks and the rears from the McGeorge online parts website (There are two sites and the better one is with free shipping and no taxes). There is no longer a requirement that a TRD Pro VIN be provided to purchase.

 

Do you have these personally on your truck? Did you go from stock to these? Any other mods to your truck that would effect the ride? Bumpers? Tires? Other driveline components? Particular website to order from? Model number for the ones you are recommending?

 

Just curious, but don’t you have to move the springs from the stock ones and install on these Falcons?

 

Not sure if these are still available.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/kin...-clickers-1000-central-wi.84967/#post-2143152

@17inferno

 

Just for clarification sake, your 2019 Pro had the TRD Pro Fox suspension? Pretty sure I know the answer but I'd rather confirm than assume. Also, did you have any other mods that would effect the ride quality (bumpers, larger tires, other drive-line components??)

 

Yes. Most people have a shop do the spring swap. Easy job since they should have the right tools.

 

Thank you for your input and opinion. Few questions:
1. Did you upgrade directly from stock to the Pro suspension?
2. Can you explain in more detail what you mean by saying, "...the ride is far better than stock." Just looking for more clarification and explanation since suspension is so subjective and can be different from person to person.
3. Any other upgrades to the truck that would effect the ride? (bumpers, tires, other drive-line components?)
4. Any comment or knowledge on how this TRD Pro suspension would ride with front and rear TRD sway bars?

 

Yes, stock pro with TRD Fox suspension for 11k miles.
Then added 315/70r17 ATZp3s, D load range. The 315s made it feel even more comfortable, but a bit heavier steering and slower acceleration.

 

I added as RSB to mine, caused a bit more jitter over bumps, still comfortable though.

 

Hello.
Yes, I changed from my 1794 stock suspension directly to the TRD Pro and installed myself. I actually installed the front coil overs first and these made most potholes go from frustrating to tolerable. Higher speed bumps feel much better than stock and much less punishing. I then added the rear shocks since I couldn’t buy all together and these made an incremental improvement.
You are correct the ride opinions vary widely person to person. My last vehicle was a 2007 4Runner with Toytec coil overs and bilstein in the rear with KO2s and my Tundra’s ride is very close to just as nice, especially on the highway. But it is still a truck so I don’t expect it to ride as good especially comparing to the rear coil suspension on the 4R.
I went from 20” wheels/tires to 18”. I think the added rubber made another incremental ride improvement. I also have E rated Cooper Discoverer XLT AT3 295/70s which won’t ride nearly as good as say a C rated Michelin tire.
I probably traded off a little ride benefit for handling with the sway bars, but I added these last and I think it was well worth it as I feel pretty planted now when cornering.

 

I have also reached out to one of the many suspension websites looking for advice on suspension brands and systems. Based on the details of my truck and strictly staying on paved roads they have strongly recommended the Bilstein 4600s for front and rear. Anyone have any experience with these? I understand these are intro/basic level shocks, but from a business/sales prospective why would they not try to up-sell me something that will make them more money, if they didn't truly believe these shocks would give me the comfort ride I am looking for? Got me thinking...