2021 Ford F-150 w/ New Tundra Tech

So I never watch TFL Truck as they are huge Ford homers. However, I decide to watch this video since it was about the new 2021 Ford with the Powerboost engine. It is 6-cylinders, turbos, electric/hybrid, 10-speed transmission. Exactly what the new Tundra is rumored to be......

https://youtu.be/QoqlP5PS8k8

So to summarize, this is a video between a 2021 Ford F-150 Limited towing a 9,240 pound trailer, versus a 2020 Chevy Silverado Trail Boss.

So here is what I learned....

1. As mentioned countless times, a crew cab loaded pickup has no real difference in payload compared to Tundra. The Ford has payload of 1,300, the Chevy is 1,685. By the time I hooked up a smaller 24-foot travel trailer and family, I would still be over payload with the F-150 Limited even though it is rated to tow 12k pounds.

2. The Ford F-150 Limited has an MSRP of $80k! Chevy Trail Boss is $55k with 5.3.

3. For $80k I get a v6, 2 cool whistling thingies, a second electric motor, and a fancy smancy/cutting edge transmission. All while getting your butt massaged while you stare up at the stars through the panoramic roof.

All of those fancy things in point 3 will get you a truck that does not handle a down hill load as good as an old school push-rod v8. If you ever have 9,300 pounds hooked to a 1/2 ton truck, going up a 7% grade, with special whistling things and 10-speed, you will make it up that hill in exactly 14 seconds faster over 7 miles and .1 MPG better than a 20-year old push rod V8.

Are we all ready for our new turbo/hybrid, 10-speed, new Tundra Limited for $68k to do "Truck Things"?

 

If your regularly towing 9000lbs up a 7% grade just get a diesel. Lol

 

True..... Although I bet the new Ford Powerboost would be fun unloaded since it is 470/570 power ratings. It would probably really move in flat ground!

 

True! Although slowing down the weight, and being stable with the weight is where the f150 would lack i'm guessing?

 

That is what it looks like and from my experience also. I have a 6,000 lb utility trailer with a small John Deere tractor. I have towed it with the Tundra, and my uncles 3.5 ecoboost. The tundra handles it much better and braking is better with the increased weight.

 

I only tow a 2500lb trailer with my 1500lb RZR and maybe 500lbs worth of other crap so not a lot, but the Tundra does handle it well, stable and brakes well.

 

Damn, isnt that about what the F250 Powerstroke with King Ranch package costs?

 

Yep, it might be a little more actually. Haven't looked at Ford F-250 KingRanch in a while.

 

About 80k.... i've been diesel shopping and am amazed at what these things cost now a days

 

Haha.... I know. Truck market is crazy across the board. Diesels are up there these days!

 

Good news is our Tundras values are through the roof too even on trade in!

 

I looked 2 years ago and they were around 75k at my local dealer.

I have a 19 F250. Make sure and check the forums, to me the fords seem to have the least issues of the 3/4T diesel trucks. I had the typical death wobble right off the lot, but a level kit with caster correction fixed it. Also make sure and get forscan asap so you can do stuff like a forced regen.

 

I've decided to go Cummins personally but my Dad has a 14 Powerstroke King Ranch and it's been a great truck, has about 140k miles on it. congrats on that 2019 F250 they are great trucks forsure!

 

I had a few mid 90s Cummins trucks and loved the motors.

 

The price of the new Tundra is what concerns me. Surely the big price numbers will be for the upper trims only, right? I can't image that the SR5 range is going to be super expensive. If it is, then Toyota is going to price A LOT of people out of their trucks. I can't afford that high dollar s**t!

 

Kind of like others have stated, that test is at the extreme end of what what 99.9% of what a half ton truck would be used for. So in TFL fashion, the video makes a good video headline, but not really what I would be basing judgement on.

And the ecoboost is known to get similar mpg as comparable V8’s while towing anyhow. Would be curious to see what the fuel economy is of the larger displacement Tundra 5.7 / Ram 5.7 / GM 6.2 were as well.

Also, someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe I read where GM redesigned the 5.3 with their new model? I know the got rid of the garbage AFM with it.

To those knocking the downhill engine braking of the hybrid V6, I am not so sure. I would bet the combination of the engine braking and regenerative braking would do a good job going downhill with a load.

TFL just did a video drag racing it against a new Raptor. It was a couple tenths of a second faster than the Raptor. That’s relatively quick for a truck. Especially one that gets 24mpg combined.

 

Same here.

I like my Tundra alot. But after looking around in the past few weeks I like it even more. I was thinking of getting a bit more payload and more towing capability for some upcoming projects but I can't justify or even comprehend the jackassery out there.

The current auto market, but especially the truck market, is lopsided towards insanity.

 

No. Nope. Not.

That would then be just the latest reason for me to keep driving my 1997 T-100 with 3 pedals on the floor.

 

oems are gonna learn the hard way that most of their customers don't need an 80k LUXO-BARGE. The first OEM to make a basic truck with: manual roll down windows, simple V8, manual trans, optional auto, lay-in rubber floor mats, bench seat, am radio, etc, with no nanny garbage, for like $15-18k will run away with things.

I think the backlash against the tech and hyper-luxury trend is what has propelled vehicles like Tundra and 4runner to decent to great sales. 4runner set (their own) sales records every year since 2016.

 

Not a chance. There is no profit margin in it. They are building what people are buying, period. Trucks are the new luxury cars, prices aren’t coming down, just like people will want more features. Especially when people can finance for 7 years at such low rates.

Not saying it’s smart for people to do it, but they are, and will continue to do so.

 

Yep.

ive seen many many posts on other forums basically with people trading out of a truck or suv after or just before warranty expires because very few are willing to take on such risk.

so with longer finance terms people essentially have a lease mentality on their vehicles.

 

GM replaced AFM with DFM. They're claiming DFM does a better job with oiling the cylinders that are shut down and should be more reliable than AFM but only time will tell for sure.

 

That's a Chevy WT and it's still like $25-30k, isn't it?

 

I don't want that basic of a truck. Currently, I have an SR5 with the SR5 upgrade package. That is all I want to continue to have into my next truck. I am just hoping that the SR5 model moving forward with the next generation is still affordable for me and others like me. I am one of a very large base of customers and I can't imagine they would price us out, but if they make these prices higher, that is exactly what will happen and people will start keeping the vehicles they have even longer.

 

$15-18k was a first gen Tacoma with the 2.7 & 5spd brand new in 1995-96.

 

All Fords, even their Super Duties, generally don’t do well during the downhill portion of TFL’s towing tests.

I had a first gen EB and it was a beast. This second gen is a monster.

 

when the hell did the "Truck" become a "Luxury vehicle " ?

 

When every city slicker yuppie decided he needed one for driving his kids to soccer practice.

 

The tundra was a $15.6k truck 20 years ago with a puny V6 engine. With inflation thats a $23k truck. You’re not ever, ever, ever seeing a full size truck for $18k ever again, even if it had just those features you mention.

not to mention a lot of the tech advancements are propelled forward by regulations forcing them like back up cameras.

OEM’s have learned the easy way that selling 1 luxo barge for $50-$60k brings them more profit than several+ WT trim trucks. The demand is there too. Why do you think they make so many and sell so many of them?

 

84 month financing dude.