WTF my 19’ CM payload 1385payload?

Dam it , while this thread is getting entertaining it's sure not making me feel good about the capabilities of my tundra

 

You can bet the next gen Tundra will see close to double the payload. But until then, remind yourself that Tundras just work. Be smart about it, but just drive the thing and use it.

 

My buddies 19' f150 crew max . 6.5ft bed 4x4 , 3.5 EcoBoost has 1767 lbs payload . Im thinking it because he has a longer wheel base than my tundra that gives the extra capacity . Or would the aluminum body have anything to do with it ?

 

Know your trucks limit like how every man knows their limits.

again people say i can tow this, my tundra can haul this. Truth is if its over
The limits its unsafe, you may get away towing unsafe but sooner or later you will pay the piper or worse you and an innocent commuter will pay.

If you’re constantly pushing the load limits, do some OT get that 3/4 ton truck. I admit I will not haul my families 23’ small 6,000 dry and almost 700-800 lb tongue weight toy
Hauler.

 

If you look at the Ford website for the 2020 you’ll see there is a matrix of configs and options that impact payload, including an option for frame payload ungraded frame. But considering the Tundra is pretty much the same design since 2014 it’s almost comparing apples with bowling shoes.

 

I spent a chunk of my life in the airline industry. Trust me, they have no idea.

 

How about a first generation double cab Tacoma? Dare you to look it up.

 

I knew most what the Tundra was and wasn't capable of when I selected it. It's a bit lighter on payload than I considered, but my wants were already within its abilities. No loss for me, and I don't dick measure with other trucks. The Tundra hasn't changed in a significant way since 2007, so you just have to accept that era's 1/2 ton payload numbers.

 

My truck weighs 6,440 pounds with just me in it..... That leaves 760 lbs. payload. Only thing I have is line-x Berliner, cheap tonneau cover, stock running boards.

If I take my wife and kids with me add 250 pounds. This leaves me with roughly 510 pounds of payload....

Only camper I can really tow legally is the very cheap stick and tin single axle 18' trailers with dry weight of about 3,400 lbs. Once you add batteries and propane you are maxing our payload.

There is not a single half ton on the market that will sniff being able to tow their advertised towing capacity as you run out of payload way before towing capacity. You can call me crazy, but if I was going to tow anything that weights 5,500 to 6,000 there is no and if or buts about it I would go 3/4 ton.

You would have to get a trailer and somehow load 9k pounds in the very back if you wanted to tow 9k lbs. and make payload. With the weight in the back you would be on a ride and would be dangerous to tow due to weight distribution.

 

The owner of our company has a 24ft: Winnebago Minnie trailer. He pulls it with his Denali 2500hd. He had it at work one day and we hooked it up to my truck and I ran across the scales at our work. They are certified within 10 lbs. truck weighed 7,280 with a travel trailer listed as 5,960 dry. It did not have that much stuff in it and I am already illegal without a single passenger or luggage and supplies.....

Don't get me started on the rv industry and the conservative numbers they post...... They are as bad as bragging about how our 1/2 ton truck can tow 13k pounds.

 

The tow capacity for trucks is determined for a flat trailer. You could get a tandem axle dual tire trailer and hit your max tow within the base model trucks payload. Would you do it? No, but you could.

 

Yeah I know, that is not real world towing application per day. Not saying the tundra does not have the power to tow 10k pounds, just not the payload capacity.

 

Could be both. My brother's 2019 Sierra 1500 SLT CC standard box has 1700 lbs payload to my 1270 and his GVWR is 100 lb lower than mine. So the 450 lbs that they took out of the body by switching to aluminum is obviously part of it, though his truck also has some features mine doesn't, plus the longer frame, which obviously also weighs more.

 

Haha, I can one up you! 2015 Odyssey EX. Not many options so it’s got more payload than the higher trims.



And my 1794 parked by it is 1135 lbs, but this doesn’t even show the yellow sticker reduction or the weight for spray liner, side steps, tonneau cover, and bed mat I’ve added.

Never been to scales because I’m not worried about exceeding my minuscule payload, but I estimate my Odyssey to have at least 300 lbs payload more than my truck...

 

Is it possible that minivans are so close to our trucks because of weight distribution in the vehicle? Example, Loading a camper with 700lbs tongue weight puts that weight on the rear of the truck (take out a WDH in this example) But a minivan would have all of that weight distributed throughout the entire vehicle in the form of passengers and some cargo in the rear (minimal since there's usually not much room). Just spitballing.

 

Same argument could apply to a truck. I wouldn’t try to put 1000 lb tongue weight on my truck without WDH and expect good results. I’ll look for axle ratings for the Odyssey, but I think the main difference is just vehicle curb weight.

 

I agree. I think the biggest thing here is just vehicle curb weight.

 

That is what I figured..

 

Indeed, not real world towing, but no marketing department cares about real world numbers. They care about numbers that sell. People are idiots and live based on what's written on paper vs real world applications. And not just when buying things...

 

I've owned a few trucks in my life time, but never towed and they were always used clunkers for hauling bark or supplies from the hardware store.

When I finally decided I needed a reliable good truck I started looking. The one thing I understood and I'm not really versed in trucks is that the Toyota would not be in the running for Towing. Sure I can tow my bike trailer but anything bigger I would need to be looking at the other brands.

It was an easy decision for me, I don't have any interest in a boat and if I ever RV it will be a motor home.

 

Reminds me of working with engineers over the years living in the "CAD" world....

 

I too was disappointed in my Tundra payload but here is a post from f150 forum, reffering to 2019 f150. Pretty much same conversation here about gvwr for 1/2 ton.

"Last year we bought a F150 XLT 302a SCrew (with tow package) as a family vehicle and it is fantastic. We are now looking at buying a travel trailer and I'm finding myself surprised at how little we can actually tow based on the GVWR. Even trailers marketed to be towed by SUVs and minivans (i.e. 3500lbs dry weight) result in significantly limiting how much gear can be put in the truck itself. My maximum payload is 1430 lbs. Take away 550lbs of tongue weight with a weight distributing hitch (100 lbs) and 640 lbs of passengers (4 of us plus the dog), and we're left with 140lbs remaining before we hit the 6600lb GVWR limit. That's not a lot and I can see us easily running right at the GVWR limit. We will be well below the towing capacity of the truck (7600lbs with WDH) and the GCVWR (12900lbs) but payload will be marginal.

Is this generally considered safe? My gut feeling is that i) Ford builds some margin into this number because they don't want the bad press of their trucks failing in ugly ways (i.e. it is not going to collapse at GVWR+50lbs) and ii) I suspect many/most people just compare the trailer dry weight and the towing capacity, fill their truck with all the crap it can fit, and go. I'm not going to go bananas and blow by the GVWR without a second thought, but we will be operating pretty close to it and could easily go by it by 50lbs or so. Wondering if any towing veterans here have any thoughts. Thanks."

https://www.f150forum.com/f82/how-close-gwvr-safe-479653/index2/

 

2019 TRD Pro

That's not including my sliders or bed rack. Still stock tires. Looks like I will be close to maxing out when all said and done with what I want to do for this truck. Gonna have to rethink some things if I want toys to haul later on.

 

This is one of the reasons that next year I'll probably be dumping the Tundra. Don't really want to but have to be realistic and acknowledge that it doesn't have what it takes to do what I want to do as far as pulling a mid-sized travel trailer requires. Just have to decide whether the replacement will be a Ford or a GM product (Dodge is NOT in the running).

 

I am in the same boat as you. Really like the Tundra but as my kids grow (weight wise) and we add a big dog we will be pushing max limits with a 23ft travel trailer. Seems like GM has a quality 3/4 to 1 ton. Watched the death wobble videos on f250/350, scary stuff.

 

I'm with you on that , as my family grows I can see myself growing out of the tundra quickly . All the domestic 3/4 and 1 tons have their flaws , some more than others . talking about the new GM 3/4 gas 6.6 engine ( L8T ) Its just a larger displacement version of the newer 2014+ direct injection 5.3 and 6.2 that are in the half tons .. Speaking from my bad experience owning a 2015 5.3 Sierra 1500 , I was VERY disappointed in that engine , it lacked power and torque , Had numerous oil leaks early on , Went through 3 oil pumps in 9 weeks replaced under warranty . I called GM Corporate and asked if there is a Updated part to fix this well known oil pump failure problem , They said no there is no fix , I then asked , " so when this oil pump fails again off warranty am I going to have to spend the $3000 dollars to have it replaced again" .. They straight out said Yes ! The next day I traded it in for my 2019 tundra . Ill never buy another GM product again . IMO gm isn't what they used to be for quality and drive train reliability . Id seriously look at the new 7.3 gasser Ford F250 . Ford death wobble isnt an issue as long as you take care of your front end steering and suspension components .

 

I absolutely love my Tundra and would not even entertain a different brand as far as 1/2 ton gassers for. However. We would like to get a 24' Grand Design travel trailer. At about 6,000 lbs., add in the kids and luggage and we are illegal.

I also have thought about going back to a Duramax.....

Hate to admit it, but it is on the table.

 

It all depends on what is the limiting factor on handling the weight - which I'm pretty sure none of us know which it exactly is. I have my thoughts because I have overloaded it with dirt a couple times so I've seen and felt how it handled. I can say one thing for sure it isn't the brakes, even being nose high and figuring the brakes would be shit, they weren't. But that leaves frame, axles and hubs, and suspension. I have my suspicions on where the issue is, the leafs bend like they're just pieces of paper and I'm iffy on a 5 lug hub if it's enough. So looking at changing out just those 2 parts properly is thousands of dollars, so may as well just go 3/4 ton.

 

Only thing sucks is the toyota drive train is so well built. I wish i can transplant it into a 3/4 ton chassis.