So, I rode in my buddies F-150

it goes both ways. my coworker who drives exclusively fords hates Toyotas and Honda's because he thinks people only by these because everyone thinks it's reliable. Which it is!
One of his ford explorer transmission started going out only at 150,000 miles. Lol he wouldn't see that in a Toyota Sequoia.

Yet he still loves it. I guess people have different prospective

 

I have friends that brag on how they never have problems with their Fords. They've had such a steady diet of Ford's cool aid, it'll never occur to them that their wonderful truck is usually gone from their lives before anything happens. My 2010 Tundra was bought new and in 82,000 miles, has never been back for warranty work (except Obama's "UAW Payback" gas pedal hoax).

 

Every make and model seems to have its issues. The cam tower leak is one, though, that won’t leave you stranded. By contrast, my old ‘86 and ‘93 Ford Broncos left me stranded plenty of times when they wouldn’t start. The electronic t-case broke on the ‘93 and the linkage in the ‘86 t-case somehow fell off. The rear main seal, rear diff cover, oil pan, trans pan and valve covers leaked all the time. But the worst leak was when the auto trans puked a massive amount of trans fluid from its front seal - three times in two different Broncos - all with less than 100K miles on each. My brother-in-law’s ‘14 F150 has a bad headgasket leak, but his occurred at more than 100K miles.

Despite all that, I don’t hate Fords. If I had the money, I’d get an old 78 or 79 Bronco and fix it up and drive it all over the place. And my father-in-law has had two F150s, an ‘86 and a ‘97, with no problems despite their very high mileage. Fords just seem more hit or miss in my experience. Toyotas have their issues, too, but they seem less prevalent.

 

"hit or miss?" Well, that seems very true and legit. The problem is when they "miss" with MY $45,000 truck and don't want to fix it. Then they don't want to give a loaner... So essentially my buddy paid $45k and drives MY tacoma until the next band-aid gets slapped on the trusty F-150. They won't take it back, they have skirted the lemon laws, they won't extend the warranty, and now the won't even give him a loaner.

 

Regardless of which trucks have more issues, you cant argue the value retention facts.
The F150 will loose nearly 55% of its value in 5 years, The Tundra only 40ish.

 

Agree 100%. I had a fancy top of the line 2012 F-150 Lariat with a short bed - a typical daddy truck. I went the opposite way with my 2019 Tundra and wanted a truck to use it as a truck. If I want fancy I’ll get a Cadillac!

Oh and the resale value is amazing...that was also a big reason to go Tundra route. Just price a comparable used F-150 or RAM.

 

Had a F-150 ... made it 70,000 miles before transmission went ... another 70k and the engine went. Bought a 2004 GMC with the 6.0 gas .... great truck, 300,000 miles - traded in on my Tundra this year. I seriously hate the start/stop crud the big 3 have now.

 

Ok, here’s my experience and opinion. My first new truck was a Nissan in about 1990. It was the biggest POS ever. I traded it for a 1994 f150 XL (work truck with the straight 6, 5-speed manual). That truck was perfect. I was unable to kill it and only traded it in 2013 for anew f150 XLT (v8, auto and that’s about it). The only reason I traded?? My wife refused to ride in it anymore!! Lol. On the 2013, I put on 150k miles before trading it in for my 2018 tundra. That truck only had 1 problem and that was that it would warp brake disks faster than a fat kid eats a Twinkie. I fixed that with aftermarket disks. Absolutely no other problems. My new truck has been back in the shop 3 times so far. All for minor things and all taken care of immediately. The difference? The new truck has a lot more bells and whistles. I think that the more complex you make a system, the more likely you are to have a breakdown at some point in the system. Therefore the highest trim levels will tend to have more problems than the lower. I could be wrong, but it remains my opinion.

 

I have owned both the 5.0 and eco-bust about three years ago. Got rid of both of them. The 5.0 had a really bad nock in the engine and the dealer couldn’t figure out where it was coming from. So after a lot of time in the dealers garage I traded it for an eco bust. After about 15k on the new truck, the timing chain went out, and same day I got my truck back from the dealer, I went to the local Toyota dealer and bought my first Toyota 4Runner and now I own 3 Toyota’s. They are so reliable. I will never buy a ford again, hard lesson learned.

 

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I have to agree with this, while our Tundra's are good trucks that's mostly due to the fact that they are old. If you run a platform this long and its not reliable something is wrong. Toyota has proven that when they do bring new tech onboard and update things they are no different then other manufacturers and also suffer issues...look at gen 3 Tacoma (which isn't even a whole new platform) and the TSS integration to the Tundra. The bad thing with running platforms and not updating is the issues you have continue to plague you..cam tower leak...frame rust issues.

Other brands that keep something just as long as Toyota did also become reliable, look at the Gm 2500 6.0/ 6l90e setup pretty bulletproof to 300k but it has remained basically the same for a while now. Ford has issues because the push forward with innovation and take risks to further there trucks, some like that others don't. Toyota hides behind reliability as a reason to run platforms for extended periods and push greater profit margins. Nothing wrong with that model, I would do the same if I was them. But at some point they will get caught with there tail between there legs, Tacoma could possibly face that soon with all the new competition that really doesn't leave the truck class leading at anything anymore except resale, Tundra with the recent crash ratings. As much as we as enthusiasts understand its still a safe truck, most will see that Tundra fails crash test headlines and mark it off there list as a potential purchase.

 

Eh, I think a lot in the truck world regarding other brands and reliability is hyperbole. My company runs a fleet of F150 XL extended cabs and XLT crew cabs with fantastic results. My work truck is a 2018 CC with the 2.7L Ecoboost and I've put 30,000 of the hardest miles you could possibly put on a truck down the worst oilfield lease roads possible (not hyperbole, I won't take my 2006 down the majority of them for fear of hurting it) at speeds that I probably shouldn't admit and it hasn't skipped a beat. On top of that, it gets 24 mpg at 80 mph and never feels underpowered.

But, that being said, I bought my 2006 over a comparable F150 because I felt it would be more reliable once I hit the 200k mark (may not make it there with as little as I drive it) and that's where I think the difference can really be seen between the brands.

 

Yea but that 2.7L eco boost is an iron block and can handle the boost better. It actually is a more durable motor because it’s an iron block, and is probably why you are seeing good results. But I agree some people have good results some don’t. But both of my fords the 5.0 and 3.5L ecoboost started having issues around 30-50 thousand miles. My buddy has the 2.7 and it’s been good for him, just depends on if you get a bad one or not.

I believe also ford is going back to an older setup, push rods and an iron block in their f250

 

I agree with this. I still have a 2000 f150 4x4 5.4l and it has 250k and has been solid up to now, but it is starting to cost too much due to issues (valve seals leak, timing chain components had to be refreshed, tranny starting to slip, both rear axles need to be replaced due to bearing grooves (using helper bearing now), fuel pump shorted out, ac compressor replaced, intake manifold replaced due to coolant leak on crossover, other little knick knacks too. I feel i got my money's worth and expect the Tundra to perform better. The reason i didnt buy 2018 f150 was new 10 speed transmission and didnt like the electronic steering. Hope Tundra proves worthy.

 

I have a lot of buddies that own Tundras and they never really have to take their trucks in, besides regular maintenace. The only thing I have to do is take my truck in to get a new front PCS sensor but Toyota is paying for that. Just take care of it, and it should do you good.