Icon suspension alignment issues

I got a wicked deal on an ICON suspension package on black Friday. I managed to get it installed by a local shop that specializes in off road modifications. Package includes ICON 2.5 coilovers with remote res, ICON UCA, as well as some rear stuff that shouldn't matter. I did upgrade to a new 17in wheel with +25 offset and a 35in tire too.

My shop is trying to tell me that they can't get any more caster out of my UCA and I need to purchase some SPC UCAs. I'm really surprised by the alignment numbers given that's the whole reason I purchased UCAs AND did a diff drop. I thought I would be safe. I'm quite surprised by caster and a little disappointed in the camber as well.

I'm going to try to get a second opinion from another 4x4 shop soon. But looking at the numbers, do you think this is possible or does my shop just not know what they are doing? They have amazing reviews and recommendation so it's hard for me to believe they are lying but I just can't understand how my alignment could be this far off?


UPDATE: Toytec was able to get her aligned just fine. Below is the updated alignment. So I guess this is a win for the ICON tubular UCAs

 

The diff drop shouldn’t matter in an alignment. I haven’t heard of anybody with these issues getting it aligned. How much lift did it give you?

 

Great question. I can't be sure because I forgot to measure when I took it in, due to it being a pretty hectic day. The are set at the factory height though. I imagine 2.5-3.5

 

You have the tubular UCAs? They’re garbage. They won’t give you enough caster. They should just stop selling those. I’ve heard cutting your tie rods will help but I just bought new UCAs instead.

 

So should he get SPC’s? What do you suggest? I was reading in the thread the other day that many alignment shops don’t know how to adjust those. But it sounds like his alignment shop prefers them.

 

That's exactly what I didn't want to hear. I'm trying to avoid another $800-1000 bill. Is there any serious problem with this low of caster. It doesn't drive bad at all. Slight pull to the right but only if I'm not holding the steering wheel, and I generally hold it when I'm driving you know.

 

I have Icon 2.5 coilovers and Icon tubular upper arms. My caster is about
3.0.
After making adjustments did they re-swing caster? Caster is not a live measurement although the computer will try to calculate it. @Icon_Adrian hopefully you can give some input

 

Those tires are going to wear out fast. You should call up the company and ask them why they sold you an incompatible upper control arm.

 

Why will they wear fast? Is it the camber, cause that seems pretty high. I was under the impression caster didn't effect tire wear?

 

Caster is not traditionally a tire wearing angle unless it is so bad that you are getting a shimmy from the lack of caster. What you might feel is the lack of steering wheel return to center and straight line stability especially at speed.

 

I just figured if it’s pulling it’s going to wear it out funny.

 

Are you going to offroad your truck? I have 3.0's so I have even less room to make adjustments. You might be able to get a little better on your numbers. You're pulling right because your caster is higher on the left side. If you can make your right side caster higher by about .5 that should help adjust for road crown and correct the pull to the right. Caster generally doesn't wear tires but it being as low as yours is, you'll get some bumpsteer. And offroading it will suck.

 

He could if he's only on pavement. I wouldn't if he's going to wheel his truck.

 

Yes, the primary purpose of the truck is wheeling. What would you suggest?

It looks like you have the ICON tubulars as well. How did you get away with it?

 

Heimed chaos or icon arms. If you don’t want to spend on the heimed version, the standard chaos arms are known to have good angles built in. Heimed uppers will be one of my next purchases. Id like to be in the range of 4.5 caster and 0.0 camber.

 

Icon tubular arms strike again!
TC or MCM arms will give you the best alignment #s. I've run Icon, Camburg, MCM. You'll never get the Icon arms to work. I don't like the adjustability of the SPC 'cause it's an extra point of potential failure and unnecessary if the UCAs are made correctly.

 

BTW, the numbers mentioned above by @Porschetech29 are exactly what I like and run currently. I mean 'cmon his handle is "porsche tech" he's probably got a clue..... Heims are the ultimate, spendy and you're gonna need an alignment tech that is well above average, but by far the best.

 

JBA
Caster built into the design. Excellent reviews from everyone that has them, including myself. Easily serviced. BJ is stocked nationwide. New JBA BJ's are Cerakote'd.

https://jbaoffroad.com/toyota/tundra/jba-hd-upper-a-arms-for-lifted-toyota-tundra.html

 

Yeah that just sucks. I went through the exact same thing. I've been wheeling with mine for a whole year because I didn't want to spend another $800-1700 on new UCA's. The low caster makes my steering wheel jerk every time I hit a good sized rock. When I'm at speed, the jerk is so violent I'm on the verge of breaking fingers. On my last trip, I took a really hard hit and I think I bent something. Possibly due to the low caster. Now my camber and caster is off even more than before and my cams are already maxed out. I wore out 2 tires just driving to the alignment shop from the trip because my alignment was so off. So I just bought some adjustable Camburg billet UCAs but haven't installed them yet. I'll be getting them on in a couple of weeks. I just hope they fit with my resi fitting.

It really sucks that I had to spend more money to fix something on a $6000 system. If I were told that I wouldn't get enough caster before I bought my suspension, I probably would've bit the bullet and bought the billet uca's. I would try returning them to the vendor before you actually use them. If they don't take them back, it's probably best to just buy some new UCAs.

 

Thanks for the input Joonbug. I just spoke with Mike at Toytec and he's going to get me in on Wed to take a look at em. I'm passed the point of being able to return so if he also can't seem to get it fixed, guess I'll probably be going with SPC to be safe. It really is eating at me that I made an 800 dollar mistake and I have to eat that after putting so much money into the lift, but I guess its better to get it fixed than run into the same issue you've had

 

Were the UCAs part of the package? If so, then that's pretty BS that you're being told "tough luck, buy new ones". You expect a package to contain everything you need to get it working properly, and if it doesn't it should be fixed free of charge.

 

To be fair, I haven't asked yet. I'll see what Toytec can do for me and then I'll decide if I need to talk to them. But I wouldn't be surprised if they brushed it off.

And to clarify, I purchased the "package" straight from ICON and had a local shop install it. This is not a package offered by my local shop. If it was, then I might have a leg to stand on.

 

There's a brand new set of spcs in market place $425 + shipping