Half-Ton Shoot Out

Canada.....Them dollars are smaller.

 

Tundra———last place. It does lag behind in a lot of areas. If I had confidence in the other brands reliability I would have looked at them but I plan to keep my truck for 10+ years so it was a no brainer. The 6.2 Denali would be a nice truck.

 

I think he nailed it on the towing with stock trd. I've added bilstein 5100s up front and airbags in back. The 5100s at 1.4 inch setting made a big difference in rebound and cornering. Feels much better. Much firmer but still smooth. I added air bags later on and it rides pretty stiff in rear even with 8 or 10 psi. I just did 800 miles towing estimated weight of 8,000 pounds. Trailer itself is 3460. I was comfortable with the ride. Mileage sucked. 7.5 mpg.

The Tundras are super lazy with payload on stock suspension. They squat with a gallon of milk and a sack of groceries.

 

Toyota mileage was within 1-2 mpg of all the other models. I was curious to see that. I thought other models were WAY ahead but that didn't seem to be the case.

 

80k+ for a V6 Diesel . I don't know about y'all, but if I wanted luxury I'd buy a Land Cruiser or Range Rover. One thing for certain that's a ton of money for a truck even the Pro @63k. Definitely didn't change my mind, I will always bleed Toyota Tundra. That Voodoo Blue looks f%$#ing awesome

 

I thought there was an off-road test or did I miss it

 

As long as Toyota is the most outdated..its the truck for me. I will be more than happy if in 20 years i am still driving my Tundra.

 

@Alexstundra ,yes there was supposed to be, but we both know which truck won that segment

 

That diesel didn’t perform very well either. Always trying to change shit. That’s why the Tundras reliability is good.

 

Brad, it's not even a fair fight. You can't run a gas truck up against a turbo diesel for payload and towing. Also don't know why they didn't go with the Titan diesel, it would of did better fo sho. If I found myself doing some heavy towing, I wouldn't of bought a Tundra, unless of course there was a diesel we won't get into that. Hahaha.

 

Mhmmm. “This is the off-road version. The best off road. So we’re not gonna test it off-road mmk”. Lol

 

we rented a Titan with the gas V8 last winter. It was a workhorse and did extremely well in the snow with the stock tires. we even passed a stuck lifted tacoma..

 

Oh yea, I agree. But the price of that F150 with a mediocre performing diesel. Rip off IMO.

 

all that chrome on the Denali..lol

 

Those are the trucks the manufacturers sent them, they didn't choose.

 

Would have been a more realistic test if this was included...........................

 

Reasons why I’ve kept the 02’ and decided not to buy a new truck for at least a few years. Price tags too high and the quality and reliability going backwards on these jobbers. I’ve got all the tech I need on my phone.

These 1st Gens are under the radar. Better payload. Easy to work on. Stealth class size. Big enough to do the job, yet not so ginormous to park and navigate.

 

Yep. i'd like to the less "trim" on new trucks and more oomph........

 

I like how they always test the most expensive trim levels. Denali, PRO, etc. Why not test the trim levels most people buy? Sheesh.

I agree. Prices on new trucks are insane. I'm further ahead dumping $10K into my '05 for upgrades than I am buying a newer truck.

 

I recently test drove some F150s. After reading reviews, perusing the Ford website, and testdriving, it honestly feels like Ford is doing everything it can to cater to millenials. There are practically unlimited options and no part of the design is older than a few years.


In one of the F150s, the electronically-adjusting pedals and steering wheel all adjusted out of the way when I got out. Literally my first thought was "when this silly system breaks, it is gonna suck for whatever poor sap has to drive back from a roadtrip with the pedals sucked half way into the firewall!"

I am thus continuing my search for a basic, old-ass-design Tundra. Id rather know it is going to get me from Point A to Point B--because they stick with what works--than have the latest gizmos fail me 4 or 5 years down the road.

 

It's a half decent test; let's be honest, this test far exceeds what the average 1/2 ton owner will do with his or her truck...most of them are pavement princesses.

The Tundra is a dated design, and the TRD suspension is optimized for ride comfort and offroad handling over payload handling (though the payload rating doesn't change with the TRD setup) so no one should be surprised by TFL's comments.

I am a little curious as to why this reviewer though that the GMC Sierra has the best handling/feeling suspension but yet considered the GM Silverado to have the worst: they're both essentially the same truck.

As for the diesel F-150's underwhelming performance, I can't comment personally on how that engine drives. That 3.0l v6 is really derived from a LandRover diesel, despite being called a Powerstroke. It was intended for passenger cars and SUV's, and I've always had my doubts about how well it would work in a truck application. It could also have something to do with the ECU tuning. I wouldn't judge the diesel book by this one cover; the 2.8l diesel in the Colorado and the 5.0l V8 Cummins in the Titan both function very well as truck engines. There is a place for smaller displacement diesels in the truck market...it could just be that Ford chose the wrong engine for the F-150. It also could be that many North American truck owners (including this reviewer) fail to appreciate how diesels drive differently from gasoline engines. You're not going to get thrown into the back of your seat with a diesel (at least one that is stock) like you would when accelerating a gasoline engine; diesel is a different beast for a different purpose, and not everyone understands that. I'll have to drive it myself before I make up my mind on that.

 

Couldn't agree more. I'm happy with simple. I install nav systems, auto pilots, entertainment systems, inverter systems, and other systems in recreational marine vessels. I spend countless hours training and retraining end users on function, features, operation. Many struggle to operate their stereos. I used to like all the tech but now I lean towards simple and user friendly. And I really don't like my vehicle making choices for me. Traction control and ABS are fine, but it ends there.

 

I had adjustable pedals on a Chevy that I owned. They would automatically move out of the way when you open up the door as well as the seat. I turned off that option because I felt like it was going to break someday.

 

Reminds me of my dad, who is a dentist, upgrading from his 1987 Honda Accord (which he bought now, and still has), to a 2012 BMW. He had to go back to the dealer 3 or 4 times to figure out the technocrap .

 

I just watched the test, been a fan of the TFL Truck guys for a while now. Very fair review, but, wow, all the other trucks were 15K more than the Tundra. Yes, it's getting dated, and, that's what Toyota sent them for a review, but, as the host pointed out, the Off Road isn't a direct competitor for the other trucks, it's for off roading, so a little more cushy of a suspension setup. The MPG was interesting that the Tundra wasn't that far off as others pointed out.

Cheers!

 

The reason the GMC rode better than the Chevy is the Adaptive Ride Control (which replaces the Magnetic Ride Control they had in years past) that is only available on the Denali trim.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/08/2019-sierra-denali-adaptive-ride-control-replaces-magneride/

 

seems lots of interest in mileage. Everyone drives a truck where I work. Chevys primarily. Couple dodges, no fords.

Where I work we have a fleet of plow trucks. Two fords, four chevys, all diesel one ton and one 4500 pos.

I'm the only Toyota owner. Trust me, they're all jealous but can't get off the American Tit.

Everyone agrees advertised mileage is a crock. We've come to the conclusion that in perfect conditions on a test track heading downhill with a tail wind you might get advertised mileage.

We also have winter blend gasoline which I think hurts but haven't really studied it and crunched numbers. Winter time normal driving I get 12,5 to 13,5. All the other guys with gm and dodge are pretty much the same.