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New Titan VS New Tundra

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by jptshadow, May 13, 2018.

  1. May 13, 2018 at 8:38 PM
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    I had two Titans previously (04 and 05) and besides one having the dreaded cracked manifolds (I fixed it with long tubes) they were very reliable.
     
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    Always going to be variances, I'm just going off a generalization done by reported problems I read about. Heck I had to have my Tundra's top end opened up to fix cam tower leak...maybe Nissan doesn't have that issue.
     
  3. May 13, 2018 at 8:59 PM
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    I had a G35X, will never buy a Nissan/Infiniti again, least reliable out of the Japanese/Korean brands. My dad and friends who had them say the same. I was initially sucked in by the tech, kinda like F150 owners.

    I saw a new Titan the other day, looked out of place as a pickup, like a fake kit supercar. Titan owners call this "unique".
     
  4. May 13, 2018 at 10:54 PM
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    I disagree with your concept of resale value. I had a Tundra similar to the one below. I believe I paid around 25k new.
    https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/d/toyota-tundra-sr5/6588241868.html
    Here's a very similar (mileage wise) Titan from the same year EXCEPT it's being sold by a dealer so necessarily has a large markup.
    https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/d/2006-nissan-titan-se/6587847583.html

    Both of the example are over priced in my opinion. But, Tundra holds value better and since I pay tax ONLY when purchasing NOT when selling, I'll take the resale value all day long.
     
  5. May 13, 2018 at 11:05 PM
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    It’s not secret coming from me on not being a Titan XD with Cummins fan. For the money, I would purchase something different.

    As fugly as they are, I would have to get my wife to kick me in the uprights every day before I drove it.
     
  6. May 14, 2018 at 2:38 AM
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    From what I understand just from talking to the guys that work there (management types, not just line workers) is they have had a problem with parts suppliers, like Cummins for instance, having inferior products that didn' meet nissan standards.

    But of course they didn' know it until it was out. So really long stories short, the older titans are solid. And the new titans might be solid because they fixed the problem (maybe). But there are some recent years where you probably wouldnt be happy with them.

    And most of them drive Toyota, just sayin...

    Full disclosure, we have a 2007 titan with 210k on it. Zero problems except for normal wear and tear items.
     
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  7. May 14, 2018 at 4:06 AM
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    $62K for a Titan XD ?!?!?! LOL...
     
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  8. May 14, 2018 at 5:45 AM
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    tech is what adds quality of life features.

    if it wasn't for tech, we wouldn't have auto locking hubs, awd systems for cars without the bulk of a true 4x4 system, etc.

    everyone that complains about heated seats, heated steering wheel, surround view systems, nannies, etc never actually tried to integrate these systems into your driving habits. I don't say replace your default driving habits add to them and enhance your overall view.

    as you get older these systems help. my wife was a big meh on heated seats, but once she had them she wouldn't get a vehicle without it. my next vehicle I probably will require a heated steering wheel. my hands are now overly sensitive to cold (too many winters being young without good gloves) even with gloves so a heated steering wheel will help a lot.

    same goes for the rear view camera, it helps give a better view in addition to looking around. really helps a lot backing a truck up to hookup a boat/camper/trailer. yeah you don't need it, but its a hell of lot easier having it.

    its the little quality of life features that reduces time/frustration on tasks that us older folks remember doing it the old hard way.

    i personally want to see the following on my next 4runner and maybe crossover to a tundra.

    1. 360 view
    2. heated steering wheel
    3. android auto (apple carplay is already being implemented on upcoming 2019 models)
    4. digital dash (even though i use to like the analog gauges, the way they have implemented tick marks makes it dam hard to read an accurate speed, so i always set the center display between the gauges to show digital speed)

    as a side note, i really don't use the tach like i use to anymore, so moving that out and replacing with different gauge/display would be more beneficial (hence the digital dash and the different layout you can setup. once you played with one, its kinda hard to go back to a normal gauge setup)

    5. more detail data display in the center console (like the big 3)
    6. include 12 way adjustable seats in lower trims (that extra 2 adjustments make a big difference, its usually the bolster under your kneecap for Toyota seats)
    7. heated cloth seats option (i know if you get leather you cant have ventilated seats which you cant get in cloth seats, but in my northern tier state i prefer heated cloth)
    8. see a 8-spd transmission (this will be coming, and i imagine this will be a hand me down from the 8-spd from the land cruiser which already has an 8-spd) but improved from its current configuration with slightly better mpg.

    just my look on things from a 50+ year old that has been a Toyota fan since 1978

    :)
     
  9. May 14, 2018 at 6:06 AM
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    I think what Alloutdrs1 refers to is the Value of depreciation is better for owners of some VA residents as our Personal Property Tax is the highest in the country. They are absolutely robbing us blind here when it comes to PPT for a damn truck you already own and paid taxes for when it was first purchased. Just as an example, I pay about $100 a month to drive my 2018 4Runner on the roads in VA just in taxes... about $1200 a year, for a car i already own, and paid a sales tax when purchased... So in retrospect, if your truck depreciates a little faster then usual, means you pay less ever year to drive it on these Sh!tty Virginia roads...

    As far as the Titan being reliable, that is very true. I had a 2006 Titan and i loved it after dumping about $7K in to fixing all the issues with those 5.6 motors and the rear differential pumpkin. Cracked manifolds, rear diff. vent, rear diff seals, are some of the common issues that the truck had but it was a beast nevertheless and kept me going no matter what. Ive always like my titan but still does not compare in value and long term reliablity like a tundar but a lot better than any domestic truck, bar none.
     
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  10. May 14, 2018 at 7:01 AM
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    I agree. I said twice that tech is great and I’d love to see tundras implement more “doodads”.

    But, like I said, when you rush into things without proper testing and R&D, you’ll end up with recalls for blown motors, electrical problems, etc that are more trouble than they’re worth.

    Tundras ARE behind in tech implementation, but for some reason I don’t think that’ll be the case for long.

    My point was, which would you rather (I personally would rather both, but let’s inject the “can’t have your cake and eat it too”) cutting edge tech or reliability.

    I would have gotten a F150 with heated seats, nav, backup cameras, etc but opted for the more reliable tundra and hasnt let me down.

    If OP wants more tech over reliability, then I really don’t mind....his money, his choice. Just stating my opinion which was asked for! :amen:
     
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  11. May 14, 2018 at 8:40 AM
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    I don't know what you're listening to, but the Titan is so damn quiet. I forgot I was driving a v8 last week until I looked at the fuel mileage (very similar to the Tundra with my driving). Maybe it's because I've forgotten what the stock Tundra sounds like, but there's really no comparison between the TRD Dual Exhaust and the stock Titian.
     
  12. May 14, 2018 at 9:16 AM
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    I haven't heard the TRD duals yet, so I was just comparing to the stock non-Pro Tundra exhaust. The Titan definitely sounds more like a mean V8.
     
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    Sounds like you need to get a PO box in South Dakota and register your car there. Avoid the tax and probably lower insurance. I hear a lotta rv people do that
     
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    same reason people choose Tundras over Fords, Chevy's, and Dodges all of which have more features. Dodges are ugly (puut Titan in this category) & Fords and Chevys have Eco Boosts and AFMs.
     
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    I agree.

    but Toyota imo needs to not keep extending the life cycle of a generation of the top end vehicles.

    I remember when Toyota was on a strict 7 yr cycle on generation. then came along the 10yr cycle.

    hell the tundra is going on what 11-12 yrs now on the current gen. even the Tacoma moved to a 10 yr cycle and now the dam 4runner is on a 10 yr cycle.

    yes reliability is our number one concern and hence the reason on buying Toyota's since the late 70's (excluding the poor judgements along the way, if you gander at my sig)

    heck my co worker when from a 2014 tundra to a 2017 F150 and 3 months later moved back to a 2017 tundra and took a 3k loss on the swap.

    he loved a lot of the features on the F150 but due to certain disabilities (eye sight), the tundra was a lot better fit.

    1. biggest issue was the backup screen was so much easier to see than the F150, and the ability to adjust the contrast on the screen.
    2. looking out the side mirrors, the F150 bed blended into the background to the point he couldn't tell the bed ended compared to the tundra

    but ultimately I think Toyota needs to up the cycle of implementation on stuff about 1-2 yrs faster then waiting until the cow come home mentality they have right now. yes they have a very slow wait how everyone else implements it and watch the failures and come up with a better solution, but my god its frustratingly slow.

    you see all the lower models of Toyota have these features for years before it even trickles up to the higher models.
     
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  17. May 14, 2018 at 11:42 AM
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    Accelerating/revving TRD and BAMs sound like muscle cars, very throaty compared to stock Tundra.
     
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    Oh trust me bud, I’m completely with you on the slowpoke train. It’s increasingly frustrating every year we see a same old motor/drivetrain/tech injection on an “updated” tundra.

    Hopefully 2019 or 2020 will see some serious overhauls! Seems to be leaning towards that by articles and whatnot.....but I’m still curbing my enthusiasm until I see an official release and then go from there.
     
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    I just bought my Tundra, and the main reason I bought it is precisely because it has the same old motor and drivetrain. It's rock solid and proven. My previous truck was a Gen 3 Tacoma (2016), and if Toyota does to the Tundra what they have done to the Tacoma, then there won't be any reason to buy a Toyota truck ever again. I consider my Tundra to be nearly perfect, and while I understand why some long time owners might be itching for a redesign, I'll pass on some new motor or fuel saving transmission with awful shift points and more gears. Not trying to be a jerk, so forgive me if I have come across here as terse, but it's hard for me to articulate how awful the redesigned Tacoma is and I was adamant about purchasing a Tundra before Toyota messed with the formula.
     
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    Not coming off as a jerk at all, man

    Where I love the motor and drivetrain (proven time and time again), I do see where they could improve on selling points, namely MPG (enter “why not drive a Prius!!”) where it doesn’t bother me getting low teen- high single digits when towing, my entire point is I know if tundra would bring up their mpg, a LOT more people would buy into tundras.

    I get ragged on by my predominately Ford family for driving a tundra every time just on MPG alone....every time it starts, I simply ask for everybody to pull out their yearly shop receipts. Everyone that’s had to rent a car for shop time is an automatic loser.

    Needless to say, I win Every. Damn. Time
     
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    Notice how they only show it from the good looking angles though. lol
     
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    Or move across the river where that county does not have a personal property tax.
     
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    had no issues with our 2016 Tacoma sport so to speak. after fixing the moonroof rattle (undersized foam block when closed) and reflashing the transmission shifting, it was great.

    only reason we traded up to a tundra was rear seat room for the dogs. 3 GSP dogs in the back seat of a double cab Tacoma was cramped compared to a crew max tundra.

    once the transmission learned our driving habit we never had any issues with the power delivery or shift points.
     
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    My Taco ran exactly as it was supposed to, but it just wasn't the right truck for me. Prior to it, I came from a 2010 4Runner with the rock solid 4.0/5 speed auto combo, and I never really adjusted to the lack of low end torque and a transmission that takes you out of the power band as soon as it can to save gas. My friend has a 2015 Taco with the 4.0 and that truck (the Gen 2) was great. But it doesn't matter, I'm in a Tundra that I absolutely love and I can't imagine a better truck.
     
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    Owners of other full size trucks don't have quite the leg to stand on that they think they do when it comes to MPG. I'm getting combined about 16 in my Tundra, and I know a guy with a new F150 with the Ecoboost and 10 speed transmission who is getting 17. To me, 1 or 2 MPG isn't something worth worrying about, and it's definitely not a margin that warrants bragging.
     
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    That’s absolutely what my argument with my family members who drive Fords encompass.

    Honestly, if anyone is worried about a 1-2 mpg difference (or even for their sake, let’s say a lifted tundra vs a bone stock F150 3-5 mpg MAX) you probably shouldn’t be driving a truck in the first place.

    Not to mention what we lose in MPG differences (which is, by statistical rule, not even worth mentioning) we definitely more than make up for in lack of repairs/time costs.

    One of my cousins bought a brand new turbocharged ford....8 months later he brings it in due to a metallic rattling in the motor. Ford service says they can’t do anything until it actually breaks. Options were trading it in, wait for the motor to blow up on his watch, or end up upside down on his payments. He decides on trading it in for....you guessed it....ANOTHER ford. Hell, I just had to fix the AIP problem (2k problem) and I don’t hear the end of it, but there’s no mention of his 5k turbo problem he had to trade in.

    Doesn’t stop them from asking to take my truck to make beer runs though. LOL
     
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    I know people that are on the design team for the Titan at Nissan corp HQ. I know them because they buy parts from me for their own vehicles. :D
     
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    Not to mention the higher sticker price of other manufacturers sort of negates fuel savings anyway. My Tundra was sticker $45K, a similar package from Ford or GM is probably going to run $50K. 5 thousand dollars buys a lot of fuel.
     
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    Dude, sign me up!! Unfortunately i dont even know where to start on that process with having a home residence in VA and registering my truck in another state. I figure you would have to go to a dmv in SD or have a DL there... Not sure how that works.. Im in the market for a newer Tundra and all i can thinks about is giving the damn "Communismwealth" of VA my money for SH!tty A$$ roads.
     
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    My wife has a Nissan Murano. I don't have Pro4X. Was thinking abt it but not anymore I guess after all these "grilling" lol
    The Surround View is really really nice but I heard that can be custom installed.
     
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