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New Shocks coming, did I make a mistake?

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Lars, May 3, 2018.

  1. May 3, 2018 at 7:04 PM
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    I spend 99% of my miles on a highway. The remaining 1% is light duty off road, dirt roads, unimproved roads, or driving on the beach. Currently I've got the TRD Bilstein 4600s front and rear

    I ordered a set of Fox 2.0 coilovers for the front, and 2.0 remote resi rear shocks.

    Did I make a terrible mistake? Should I upgrade to the 2.5" models? If so why?

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. May 3, 2018 at 7:24 PM
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    Those Fox Shocks should be just fine. If they ride rough, you can revalve them.
     
  3. May 3, 2018 at 7:25 PM
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    Thanks for the reply ColoradoTJ.
     
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  4. May 3, 2018 at 7:25 PM
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    I had fox 2.0s on my f150 and loved them. Rode great on road and could handle light offlroading. Can't say how they are on a tundra but id imagine they are similar
     
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    Not to be “that guy”, but why buy something you didn’t research beforehand?
     
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    I did. And then the local guys cast doubt my direction.
     
  7. May 3, 2018 at 8:02 PM
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    Don’t worry about what others say :)
     
  8. May 3, 2018 at 8:11 PM
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    I agree with Sean and next time, Dont be "that guy" :facepalm::D
     
  9. May 3, 2018 at 8:12 PM
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    I'm guessing this is going to be night and day nicer both on and off road than my Tacoma with OME shocks, heavy springs, and an AAL on the rear. :)
     
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  11. May 3, 2018 at 9:39 PM
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    You’ll be fine with those, I agree that a 2.0 shock has no business being on a tundra because it is heavy but that’s the nit picking part of that argument. At least you didn’t buy a spacer or blocks in the rear. 2.5” shocks allow more fluid so you can tune/valve them better and dissipates oil better for cooling. They have 3.0’s now and main difference from a 2.5” is more fluid which in turn allows for more tuning.
     
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    You'll be fine. Those are nice shocks.
     
  14. May 4, 2018 at 1:19 AM
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    For what you do, hell some 5100's or 6112's would have been just fine. If you do 99% of pavement pounding, these will be a 100% improvement over the factory style shocks/springs.

    Not to get into a pissing match about tuning differences between emulsion shocks vs RR shocks, 2.0 vs 2.5 vs 3.0 and up, and why a bigger shock offers more tuning capabilities... here is more information than you probably care to even have. I do agree with @Samoan Thor about 2.0 shocks on vehicles over 5000 lbs. The factory Tundra is around 5600 lbs, and for you that should be fine. My Jeep has 2.5 Kings on all four corners and I'm close to 5000 lbs, but hoping to shed around 600lbs this next winter. Now if you were wanting to start going a little faster over stuff, I would be looking at upgrading.

    These guys pimp FOX, so this will be good for you:

    http://accutuneoffroad.com/

    Here is a parts diagram for a King shocks (same concept on a FOX):

    king-shock-parts-diagram_large-web_1_1008.jpg

    Pay attention to #12 and #14. This is were you get the rebound/compression tuning from. You can change out #14 and #12 for tuning specifics you require, if everything else is right.

    I think we are getting way deep in this, so I'm gonna stop.
     
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    Remote resi are overkill for a street truck and moderate off roading but like someone else said it is your money. I run some pretty rough stuff on hunting ranch. I had remote resi on rear of Tacoma. I could out run the utvs but why. When I change out rear shocks on Tundra I will just go with some good non-resi.
     
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    You made a terrible mistake and should totally have gone with 2.5s. You'll hate yourself for all eternity.

    Luckily, I saw your post and I'm a generous guy. I'll take them off your hands and repurpose them on to my 99.999% street queen... I'll even throw a few dollars at you to help fund your 2.5 upgrade!
     
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    Knowing the founder, his is obsessed with shocks, even worked for Toyota waaay back on shocks back when he was getting his Mech Engineering degree. He’s been wheeling for a long time.
     
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    I will also say, I probably will never buy an Emulsion shock again. There are more benefits than just cooling for a RR shock.
     
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    Thank you so much! Science! I love it.
     
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    Gotcha, thanks!
     
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    @ColoradoTJ - I upgraded the shocks in an old Kawasaki Ninja 500r with a different style of Valve. So your mentioning the two parts makes perfect sense to me.

    As for the 2.0 vs 2.5 it's a heat issue in the oil, related to weight of the vehicle. That makes sense too. I'm guessing If I have problems I'll start by upgrading the fronts as that's where the lions share of the weight is. I'm also guessing since I already have the RR rears coming, they are also less likely to overheat even with the smaller tube diameter & volume? Or did I misunderstand all of this and need to go back to ground zero?
     
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    The 2.0 vs 2.5 is about the ability to control the weight of your vehicle (sprung/unsprung weight). It’s amazing what we ask our suspension system to do in a relatively short distance.
    I have 14” 2.5 Kings on my TJ. My ride height on my fronts are 6” of shaft showing. That means I have 6” of downtravel and 8” of up travel right? Kinda. To make things easier, we will take out my bump stops, limit straps, suspension design, and total wheel travel out of the equation. However, I can get into my bumps rather easy. This winter, my shocks are coming out and some more tuning will be done, especially on compression dampening. You can hear me get into my bumps when dropping into a local trail for a night run. Kind of crazy to think the fronts can handle the lions share of the weight dropping down a 3’+ ledge.



    My rear shocks are set pretty light, and ride height is more 50/50 and could not take a hit like the fronts can. It would be brutal. Those are coming out as well and starting over on the tuning. I just don’t like it, and it’s a preference thing. The Jeep climbs well with minimal wheel hopping. Click on the video in my signature.

    The third paragraph starts getting into why a RR is superior to an emulsion shock.

    http://accutuneoffroad.com/articles/the-difference-between-emulsion-remote-reservoir-shocks/
     
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    The fine folks at Wheeler's Offroad were super helpful when I called to see if I could swap out the Fox 2.0 Front, and Fox 2.0 RR Rear shocks.
    Instead I've ordered Bilstein 6112 fronts, and 5160 rears. Still with the Camburg rear shackles.

    Thanks guys!
     
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