Torn on 285/60R20 vs. 285/65R20

Hi all... I have a 2025 Limited TRD OR in Lunar Rock. Loving it so far for the 6 months i've had it. I know I want to get rid of the stock tires and I'm pretty content with keeping the stock TRD wheels. I'm torn between going with 285/65/R20s which I believe will require me to get a small lift/level. OR should I just go with 285/60R20s and call it a day?

I'm leaning towards Toyo Open Country AT3's in both sizes but not sold. This is mostly due to lighter weight compared to other similar tires.

My use case: I want a more aggressive look than stock of course. I need something very good in snow and rain (I'm in New England). I don't do a lot of off roading, mostly basic trails if any but not often. I do go on the beach quite often (soft sand). It's my daily driver so I don't want to impact ride/mpg too much and don't need anything crazy.

If I do go with the 285/65R20s... anyone have any recommendations on a good lift/level for my needs? I'm not well versed in the lift/level world. I don't want to cheap out and end up doing something not ideal that would be stressing certain components etc.

Interested in your thoughts and suggestions and what others have gone with in similar situations, thanks!

 

I ran Toyo Open Country AT3s on my 2014 Sequoia and they were fantastic in the rain and snow. Solid choice.

On my 2025 Tundra I’m running BFG KO3 in 285/60r20 and the size looks perfect IMHO.

 

Looks great! Stock height, any rubbing?

 

Here is mine I just posted actually. 285/65/20. Wildpeak at4w. They’re actually run bigger than 35/11.5 on the Toyo or k03. Bone stock, so I’m sure you’ll be fine.

 

Was leaning toward falkens. Love the at3w on my Tacoma.

 

285-60 has an over all diameter of 33.46 inches, weight 55ish pounds

285-65 overall diameter is 34.59, 65ish pounds

You'll lose speed, fuel economy, and increase brake wear, and put more load on the suspension. Things will wear out faster with the bigger tires.

Rotating mass has a 12:1 effect for every 1 pound of static weight increase.

Each tire weighs 10 pounds more. But when spinning it acts like 120 pounds more, dynamically.

Adding 40 pounds is like 480 pounds dynamically of more load.

That's why sports car go for lighter and lighter wheels. Each pound saved is performance gained

 

If you want to size up tires use a calculator tacomaworld has one,it'll show you with an overlay to visualize "old ~ new".
BF Goodrich runs a little smaller than most MFG'S but is a great tire,I'm not sure what your running now for stock but here are the two you are considering, and either way I don't think you'll have any rubbing.

I too live in New England I swapped out my stock rubber bands for more side wall and wanted to fill the wheel well gap with something more suitable for our weather,I went with Geolanders M/T G003 @ 285/55R22 (34.34"X11.5") they have been great for the past 2 winters and are exceptionally great in snow and really shine in the sand when hitting the National Sea shore 4x4 beaches.
Congrats on the new Rig and welcome to the boards.

 

Do you rub at all with those tires on the stock suspension?

 

285/60R20 Toyo OC AT3 in SL here... each tire weighs 48lbs. This is one of the biggest tire sizes you can get in SL to keep the weight down.

Also have Weld 20x9 +20 wheels for a little poke and 2" leveling struts. I think the look is perfect and the ride is still smooth as stock.

 

I do not it’s close but no rub. Fills it out nicely. Yes, they are heavy tires but let’s not act like the stock tires were appropriate for this truck.
Mine were significantly worn down after 11k miles, I probably would’ve got 20k out of them but I hate driving on worn out tires.

You will loose mpg of course with bigger tires but it’s a truck so. As far as power goes, truck has plenty of power I don’t feel much difference.

 

Totally stock suspension for the time being. Fit is tight but zero rubbing anywhere including the mud flaps.

 

I'm surprised you can put 35's on stock wheels and suspension and not run on the sway bar

 

Some can,it all depends on trim and options the truck comes with.

 

Mine is a 3" factory lift. My dealer told me, perhaps incorrectly, that you couldn't get past 33" with the stock 20" TRD wheels before rubbing on the sway bar. Then the rear mudflap would be the next hurdle. To get up to 34's he recommended the TRD sway bar, a wheel with more poke, and removing the mudflap. Is this bum advice?

 

I believe the lift does affect it as far as the sway bar goes not sure about the mudflaps though, that doesn’t sound right. Maybe someone who did it can give better advice.

 

I ended up with 33.5's and a TRD sway bar on the stock wheels. I was being careful about added weight and loss of power. And not losing articulation off road with a tire that barely fits before compressing the shock. And I think I achieved that but I'm still scheming for an 18" bead grip wheel with more offset to get more sidewall, lower air down capability, lose a little weight on the wheel so I can gain a little more weight on the tire. I'm going at least 34.5" on the next set with a smaller wheel. I'm just wishing Method made a hub centric wheel for the Tundra.

 

Maybe so and it's the dealer salesman who told you this,he could be conservative and didn't want to put his ass on line if he's not accurate.
I know that there are some here who have put 35's on and no issues.
My truck is 100% stock suspension and rims and I have zero rubbing at full lock either direction and with aftermarket mud flappers.

 

I’ll be going with 18s come next time. I like the trd wheels, and being a brand new truck didn’t wanna get rid of them so quickly.

so far I’m happy with the at4s. We always talk about the negatives, but some positives I noticed. The truck handles better, a tad more bouncy but eats up broken pavement nicely, way better than stock. No notice of power, doesn’t mean there wasn’t. Noise level is probably the same as stock also, can’t really compare I always have my window slightly open. Feels the same to me.

 

Pretty sure 35/11.5 or 285/65/20 very similar sizes, at least on the limited trd OR will fit with no rub.

 

I agree on the power. These Gen 3's are so much more zippier than the 5.7's. It's probably not as big a problem as some people may worry about, myself included in that statement. I had 34" WP AT4W's on my 2.5 Gen and they were noticably heavy on that truck. I really noticed the gas mileage and power on that truck. I expected a lot out of that tire but I was disappointed in it on the back half of it's life span. I feel like it didn't handle the snow nearly as well as a BFG TA KO2

 

That’s good to know, thankfully don’t need to deal with snow here in the west coast often. I had read good reviews in the wet and really liked the look so went with them. I’m sure the k03, at4w and the at3 are very similar.

 

I live in the high desert Rockies and we almost never have mud. Snow seems like the big limiter on being able to get out on mild 4WD trails at high altitude in the winter time where I live if I want to be able to still get out and explore, hunt, and shoot. In the summer it's washboard, a little bit of large granule sand, almost pea gravel, and some sharp rocks. I feel like the brand of tire and tread design has much less advantage in the summer on these trails, but winter is the difference maker here. Being able to air down more helps tremendously and I dread going too far and slipping a bead in 12" of snow. Also helps a lot on the rocky trails.

Great point on region being an huge influence on your tire preference. I think that gets lost a lot of times in tire threads.

 

Curious with the size options listed are you all running a C, D, or E load range tire?

 

I'm running an E only because I couldn't find a lighter load rating in stock. I sold my RV and don't plan on towing or adding any more weight on the truck than the Smart Cap. The only thing I like about e-rated tires at this point is perhaps a little more durability when driving around on ranchers Fields during antelope season and sharp granite rocks on trails here in the Rockies.

 

I'm running on E's and honestly I would of went with BF KO2 but they did not offer 22's at the time.
Now they do,so when my current ones are done I will go back to BF.

 

How's the ride, as my experience with E has always been a rough one, but I'm also coming from C range tires on my 4runners.

 

At4 are also E. If I went with 35/11.5/20 it would’ve been D surprisingly. For whatever reason I went with 285/65.

 

Yeah, but what you have looks great.

 

Thank you, I’m happy with the looks and the ride. My tire guys said it’s gonna be much more rough, maybe they’re used to crappy tires I don’t know but it’s really fine for me I actually think it drives better than stick minus the mpg hit. Let’s see how it does when it wears down.

 

this does look great... thanks for the reply. After seeing this I was leaning towards this rout but now seeing replies that the 285/65R20 fits bone stock w/ no rub (even w/ Falken AT4Ws which run bigger than the AT3s) I'm even more torn lol. I may go the bigger route since they're close in weight.