2024 Capstone

Buy a GMC? That's laughable. They are the worst of the bunch. At least Toyota is doing something

 

GMC is also doing things now, I did state they took a while to do it. I have one thats a few years old and in the recall, its been a great SUV and reliable without any of the dozens of small issues that the Toyotas have on top of the motor.

Have you not read about Toyota now hiding the tranny issues on hybrids?

 

The AI reference quoted is referring to a Capstone specifically, on 22's.
It lumps the ride harshness bullet comments together; the 22's and air ride suspension, as if they both contribute to the harsh ride. I agree about the 22's.

 

Do tell

 

I was reading a thread yesterday. The shuttering is happening in the transmissions and people have had all sorts of parts replaced. It sounds like they are quietly admitting to a software issue and have no fix available after people jump through the hoops at their dealer. So the Hybrids are broken too.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/2023-platinum-hybrid-tranmission-shudder.129866/

 

Shocker another negative comment from a gen 2 troll.

 

I do agree about 22"s , not great for the ride

can't we find something better to use AI for like hot blondes, HA

 

What about what I said was wrong? I even posted a link to the thread? I can admit I've trolled things before, but this isn't a troll. Its a real thing.

 

too much internet time reading about the sky is falling woods.

in the last couple years we have bought in the family

2023 Tundra platinum
2023 Sienna 25th Anniversary AWD
2023-24 Platinum Venza
2025 Corolla Cross hybrid.

they all have been great

 

What makes you say that GM has fixed theirs and in the same breath state that Toyota "just says they did."? Isn't it equally plausible that GM is "just saying they did" too?

I swore off GM after a horrible lemon of a car, and doubled down on never giving them money after the bailout behavior, so I am very out of the loop on much of their stuff. I'm legit asking for the sourcing of them actually fixing the engines vs saying they fixed them.

 

Well, Toyota said they fixed them a while back, and we keep seeing new ones fail. A lot of people, myself included, don't think they've been honest about the cause.

GM, found a real problem, and have changed the production and their newer engines are not showing signs of any issues. At least, from what I have read online, which @Breathing Borla thinks might be fake news. And it COULD be.
**Here is a link to the drive article saying they are fixed, but less MPGS now
https://www.thedrive.com/news/gm-owners-with-fixed-6-2l-v8s-sue-over-reduced-fuel-economy

Another with better info:
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/0...t-need-new-oil-viscosity-and-those-that-dont/


However, we keep seeing new issues on the Toyotas. So, again, what did I say that was wrong?

 

I didn't accuse you of being wrong. I asked for insight to your thought process because I don't know anything about GM.

As my grandpa used to say "Don't drag your feelings out behind you and I won't step on them."

 

If, given time, that proves out then that's great. However, this is exactly where Toyota was a while back on their failures. Until the sales of the new GMs go without issue it's still just words at this point. Neither brand has a lot of credibility on that front IMO.

 

Next time anyone asks me why I made a mistake I'm just going to say "contamination issues".

Be nice if manufacturers would at least get a bit more creative.

 

With the OEM tires on let's say it wasn't the most comfortable here in N.E. after swapping those rubber bands out with tires that have more side wall (285/55R22) I will gladly disagree with the 22 complaints.
Now with two years under my belt of driving this truck as a daily driver and driven in 5 New England states I've hit just about almost every shity roads and it's pretty damn smooth.
Comfort mode paired with the hydraulic spacer/isolators makes a big difference.
The bottom line is it's a truck.

 

Good deal, DONT BUY .

 

So which is it? @szabo101 AI says I-Force Max has a debris problem. @75tranzam (the Hooman being) says the Max is not having the debris issue.

My reading says the I-Force Max is not included in the recall. AI is wrong and you @szabo101 are wrong for doing your 10 second search to bring the wrong answer. THE FIRST THING IN YOUR AI POST IS WRONG!!!!!! And you frigging brag on the AI shit. That is crazy. Please pop in here and admit you were wrong for cutting and pasting that incorrect shit!! It is people like you that willl...........nevermind. Just go watch the movie Idiocracy. We know what is happening already.

 

I understand you and others concerns about accuracy. I asked the AI to summarize it's lengthy answer in 10 bullet points for purposes of posting. Reluctantly, I'll post a copy of my verbatim question and the entire AI response. FYI, I think it is the most accurate, unbiased summation that you'll find.

My Question verbatim:
search internet forums, social media and online journalistic reports for a summary of the issues with the latest generation of Tundra and specifically how they affect the 2024 capstone and iforce max engine.

Historically, many purchase Tundras for their reliability, and resale vs the half ton competition.summarize reliability, resale, and owner satisfaction compared to the previous generation Tundras and newer competitive offerings

AI Lengthy response:
Summary of Issues with the Latest Generation Toyota Tundra (2022–Present)
The third-generation Toyota Tundra, introduced in 2022, replaced the long-running V8 with a twin-turbo 3.4-liter V6 (i-Force) and an optional hybrid variant (i-Force Max). While the new powertrains offer impressive performance (437 hp and 583 lb-ft of torque in the i-Force Max), they have been plagued by significant reliability concerns, build quality issues, and owner dissatisfaction, as reported across forums, social media, and journalistic reviews.

Key Issues Across the Latest Generation

1. Engine and Powertrain Problems:
   • Engine Failures and Recalls: The most severe issue involves engine failures due to manufacturing debris in the twin-turbo V6, leading to bearing failures and catastrophic engine damage. Toyota issued a recall in 2024 for approximately 102,000 2022–2023 Tundras and Lexus LX models, affecting both i-Force and i-Force Max engines. Owners reported ticking noises, metal-on-metal sounds, and complete engine failure, sometimes within a few thousand miles.
     
     
   • Turbo Wastegate Issues: Early models (2022–2023) experienced turbo wastegate malfunctions, causing power loss and misfires. While Toyota addressed this with recalls, some owners report persistent issues.
     
     
   • Transmission Problems: Owners have reported transmission failures, including complete loss of power and shuddering, with some requiring full replacements. For example, one owner noted a transmission replacement after a vibration issue escalated.
2. Build Quality and Fitment Issues:
   • Misaligned Doors: Multiple owners, particularly of 2024 models, reported misaligned passenger-side doors, with Toyota service departments stating the doors are non-adjustable, indicating a production flaw.
     
     
   • Interior Rattles and Squeaks: The interior, especially in higher trims like the Capstone, suffers from rattles, loose headliners, and poorly fitted components, such as the composite bed rattling on bumpy roads.
     
     
   • Windshield and Seal Issues: Creaking or popping windshield seals and improper factory installations have been noted, requiring replacements.
3. Fuel System and Efficiency:
   • Fuel Line Redesign: The 2024 model reportedly received a redesigned fuel line to address issues from 2022–2023, but details are scarce, and some owners still report poor fuel economy (e.g., 14–19 mpg overall vs. EPA estimates of 20–22 mpg combined).
     
     
   • Inefficient Hybrid: The i-Force Max hybrid, standard in the Capstone, has been criticized for negligible fuel economy gains (19 mpg in real-world testing vs. 24 mpg highway EPA), undermining its value proposition.
4. Other Issues:
   • Seat Durability: Owners, including a disabled veteran, reported seat frame breakages, with Toyota attributing it to “driver abuse” despite widespread complaints.
     
     
   • Technology Glitches: Overly sensitive driver-assistance systems (e.g., lane-keeping assist, automatic braking) have caused near accidents, with some owners disabling these features.
     
     
   • Suspension Complaints: The Capstone’s 22-inch wheels and optional air suspension contribute to a harsh ride, with reports of jolts over bumps.

Specific Impact on the 2024 Capstone and i-Force Max
The 2024 Tundra Capstone, the top-tier luxury trim priced around $78,000–$80,695, exclusively uses the i-Force Max hybrid powertrain. While it offers premium features like semi-aniline leather, massaging seats, and a head-up display, it is heavily affected by the generation’s issues:

• Engine Reliability: The i-Force Max is not included in the 2022–2023 engine recall, and while Toyota claims 2024 models have improved, a 2025 Tundra owner reported a bearing failure in a non-hybrid V6 with only 522 miles, suggesting potential carryover issues. The Capstone’s hybrid system has not been explicitly singled out for unique problems, but its complexity adds risk.
  
  
• Build Quality: The Capstone’s luxury positioning is undermined by misaligned doors, interior rattles, and crooked badging (e.g., non-parallel “Capstone” labels on floor mats). These detract from its $80,000 price tag compared to competitors like the Ram 1500 Limited or Ford F-150 Limited.
  
  
• Ride Quality: The Capstone’s 22-inch wheels and air suspension result in a stiff ride, with owners reporting sharp jolts on rough roads, unlike the smoother Ram 1500 or Ford F-150.
  
  
• Owner Feedback: Capstone owners on forums like Reddit and Tundra Forum express mixed feelings. Some praise the power and tech (e.g., 14-inch touchscreen, JBL audio), but others lament the lack of luxury refinement and reliability compared to older Tundras or competitors.

Comparison to Previous Generation Tundras (2007–2021)
The previous generation Tundra (2007–2021) was renowned for its bulletproof 5.7-liter V8, simple design, and exceptional longevity, often exceeding 200,000–500,000 miles with minimal issues.

• Reliability:
  • Previous Generation: Nearly flawless reliability, with owners reporting only minor issues like power lock failures. Consumer Reports gave older Tundras high reliability scores, and many owners on TundraTalk and Reddit describe them as “indestructible.”
    
    
  • Current Generation: Consumer Reports predicts the 2024 Tundra will be less reliable than the average new car, citing engine, transmission, and build quality issues. The 2024 model has four NHTSA recalls, including the engine debris issue. Owners report spun bearings, transmission failures, and seat issues, a stark contrast to the previous generation.
• Resale Value:
  • Previous Generation: Exceptional resale value, with V8 Tundras retaining up to 70% of their value after five years due to their reliability and demand. Used 2007–2021 models are rising in value as buyers avoid the new V6.
    
    
  • Current Generation: Resale value is taking a hit due to reliability concerns. Reddit users note that 2022–2024 V6 Tundras are depreciating faster than V8 models, with dealers hesitant to take affected models in trade. The recall and negative sentiment may further depress resale.
• Owner Satisfaction:
  • Previous Generation: Extremely high, with owners on TundraTalk and Reddit praising the V8’s durability, low maintenance, and timeless design. Many regret selling their older Tundras for the new generation.
    
    
  • Current Generation: Mixed to low satisfaction. Edmunds reviews highlight disappointment, with owners missing older models (e.g., “I wish I had my 2016 Tundra back”). Issues like engine failures, poor build quality, and inefficient hybrids sour the experience, though some appreciate the power and tech.

Comparison to Half-Ton Competitors (Ford F-150, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Ram 1500)
The Tundra competes with the Ford F-150, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, and Ram 1500, which dominate the half-ton segment. Each has its strengths and weaknesses, but the Tundra lags in key areas.

• Reliability:
  • Tundra (2024): Poor reliability due to engine recalls, transmission issues, and build quality problems. Consumer Reports gives it a low reliability score, and owners report frequent shop visits.
    
    
  • Ford F-150: Mixed reliability. The F-150’s 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 and hybrid powertrains are generally reliable, but issues like ignition coil failures and timing chain rattles persist. It scores better than the Tundra but below older Tundras.
    
    
  • Chevrolet Silverado 1500: Average reliability. The 5.3-liter and 6.2-liter V8s have oil consumption issues, but the turbodiesel is reliable. Owners report fewer catastrophic failures than the Tundra.
    
    
  • Ram 1500: Above-average reliability, especially with the 5.7-liter HEMI V8. The Hurricane turbo-six is new, with limited data, but Ram’s build quality is superior. It outperforms the Tundra in reliability surveys.
• Resale Value:
  • Tundra (2024): Declining due to reliability concerns, with V6 models losing value faster than competitors. Older Tundras retain better value.
    
    
  • Ford F-150: Strong resale, driven by brand loyalty and versatility (e.g., hybrid, electric options). It retains slightly less than older Tundras but more than the 2024 Tundra.
    
    
  • Chevrolet Silverado 1500: Moderate resale, weaker than Ford due to less brand cachet. It outperforms the 2024 Tundra but lags behind older Tundras.
    
    
  • Ram 1500: Competitive resale, though slightly below Ford. Its luxury trims (e.g., Limited) hold value better than the Tundra Capstone due to superior refinement.
• Owner Satisfaction:
  • Tundra (2024): Low, with Edmunds reviews citing build quality, reliability, and efficiency issues. Owners on Reddit and Tundra Forum express frustration, though some like the power and tech.
    
    
  • Ford F-150: High satisfaction due to towing capacity (up to 14,000 lbs), diverse powertrains, and tech innovations. Owners prefer its interior over the Tundra’s.
    
    
  • Chevrolet Silverado 1500: Moderate satisfaction. Its ride is less refined than the Tundra’s coil-spring suspension, but owners appreciate its towing (13,300 lbs) and diesel efficiency.
    
    
  • Ram 1500: Highest satisfaction, thanks to a luxurious interior, smooth ride, and strong towing (12,750 lbs). Owners on forums like TundraTalk prefer it over the Tundra for refinement.

Conclusion
The 2024 Toyota Tundra, particularly the Capstone with the i-Force Max hybrid, suffers from significant reliability issues, including engine failures, transmission problems, and poor build quality, which erode its historical reputation for durability. Compared to the previous generation (2007–2021), the current Tundra is less reliable, has weaker resale value, and garners lower owner satisfaction due to these issues and an inefficient hybrid system. Against half-ton competitors like the Ford F-150, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, and Ram 1500, the Tundra lags in reliability, resale, and owner satisfaction, with the Ram 1500 standing out for its luxury and refinement. Potential buyers may consider waiting for Toyota to address these issues or opting for a used 2007–2021 Tundra or a competitor like the Ram 1500 for a more reliable and satisfying experience.

 

LOL. I asked chat GPT using your question but substituted f150 eco boost for Tundra and the conclusion is quite different. The bold letters are from chat GPT, not me.

Summary

The latest F-150 still performs strongly in capability and technology but suffers from:

Ongoing EcoBoost-related concerns (especially long-term).

A less bulletproof reputation compared to older generations.

Decreased owner confidence due to initial QC problems, especially with 2021–2022 models.


It's still a top contender for many buyers, especially those leasing or not planning to keep long-term, but for high-mileage users or long-term ownership, Toyota Tundra may offer more peace of mind.

 

I didn't ask chatgpt, I asked grok, so would expect different answers.

 

Which highlights that outsourcing your critical thinking to AI is retarded. Depending on minute phrasing or which AI you pose the question to you will get inconsistent answers.

AI will also get stuff wrong or conflate things that aren't related. Read that conclusion it gave you. It's lumping every issue reported on the 3rd gen tundra together for its info because AI isn't smart enough to filter out things that don't apply. It also said that the air suspension contributes to a harsh ride, and yet we have members here saying that's blatantly false.

Conclusion: Using AI instead of doing your own research and talking with actual owners is retarded, and claiming it's the better way to research a vehicle purchase is absurd.

 

^This

 

And I say all that as a late adopter and as a guy with general dislike for the direction that Toyota went on the 3rd gen.

 

Well AI aside I’m looking to buy a second Tundra Limited most likely a 2025. So far my 2023 has been problem free with 40k miles. Probably because it’s Celestial Siver!

My problem is it appears all the 2025 trucks optioned with the TRD Off Road Package, have the light gray Soft Tex.

“AI Chatbot why is that?”

 

I don't know for sure if Toyota did it in the '25s, but I know some interior colors used to only be available with certain exterior colors. My limited TRD OR is ice cap and has the black softex, but an SR5 TRD OR Premium I was initially looking at had the grey interior. Could be that the grey is more common with the silver exterior, but that's just speculation on my part. I haven't done enough digging to confirm.

 

Easy there fella, sounds like you find AI threatening and have inferred something that I never suggested, allowing AI to do critical thinking for you. But as far as asking questions on this forum, it is way more efficient to utilize the AI as a tool and let it search through all the crap for you to get an overall picture.

As for the "talking with actual owners..", that's obvious, because the one place everyone knows that you can get honest, unbiased opinions is from actual owners. Maybe you should have said talk to former owners? Based on things I've been told by "former" owners, the AI conclusions are on point.

P.S. I think you should use AI more, it might help you actually make a coherent point and decrease the use of superlatives like "retarded" and "absurd" that people generally utilize to make it look they have something constructive to contribute when it is truly just verbal dribble.

 

If you don't mind that overall picture being incorrect, sure.

Well, as a former owner of an F150 I can tell you the AI was wrong on that one. Body panel alignment were way off, the interior was laid out really well, but it was very flimsy and thin/cheap feeling plastic. They used texture to have the appearance of soft touch areas, but they were

Don't get me wrong, I'm not carrying water for the 3rd gen. Toyota fumbled. Hard. They didn't fumble any worse than Ford has with the 10 speed, though. Ford has just put repeated band-aids on that problem, and others. To Toyota's credit, they issued a recall for the engine issue. That was the tipping point for me. Both have risks, but the way Toyota is handling it is more appealing than Ford's refusal to issue any kind of recall.

In what way was my point not coherent? I wasn't attempting to be constructive about AI use for data processing, I was specifically using sharp language to show the level of disdain I have for it's use in this context. It makes people lazy and they do outsource their critical thinking to a flawed and malleable piece of software and they do it in the name of ease and convenience. Actually reading and researching takes effort, and most people are averse to anything that isn't immediately spoon feeding them whatever will confirm whatever their confirmation bias desires.

 

I just read Ford’s 5.0 v8 has used a wet belt for its oil pump since 2021, just like all (I think) the ecoboosts except the 3.5. Seems like a horribly stupid design.

Can you imagine putting a 700hp blower on a v8 with a wet belt?