Tundra engine recall - interesting news

I agree. This engine is not up to par, and something is fundamentally wrong with it. Otherwise the failures would have stopped 2 years ago. Looks like Toyota is playing the GM lifter game. Just going to ignore the real problem and band-aid fix.

 

Laughable.

 

Lexus LX 600 24LA04 Engine Recall Documents
Dealer Letter - https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCMN-24V381-5346.pdf
Technical Instructions - https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCRIT-24V381-7946.pdf
Job Aid (Notice the "Made in Japan" on the part label) - https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RMISC-24V381-1498.pdf

 

So when will the spun bearings stop showing up? 2023? No. 2024? No. 2025? Apparently not. 2026? We will see. At this point, I’m in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” camp.

 

You are aware that the debris issue wasn't fully resolved until Early to Mid November 2024. At least at TMMAL.

 

What he is saying, I think, is that we’ve heard “it’s resolved” before so no reason to believe Nov 2024 iteration will prove to be different. The notion it took 6 years to ID and resolve the issue is a separate point of debate - one I’m not interested in revisiting.

 

That's interesting, your basically brand new Lexus is Salvage Title Eligible. Yes
Has that been on any of the Tundra docs?

 

I personally believe if it were an inherent design flaw, there would be way more consistent failures. Not motors going 100K without problems vs motors with 5K going kaboom. Shame on Toyota for not stopping production entirely until the problem was fixed. Their decision to continue production was out of greed, as the cost of motor replacement was far less than profits made on truck sales.

 

IMO, yes, an unresolvable flaw in either the design and/or manufacturing of this motor. I imagine it’s a little column A and a little column B. And I agree with you 100%, follow the money. Corporations aren’t in the business of doing public good, their first and only obligation is to maximize profits for shareholders. That’s no different for Toyota than any other corporation.

 

What I find interesting with these kinds of posts is everyone immediately concludes it is the same issue without waiting on the follow-up reply with what the dealership found. Could it be a random one-off issue? Of course. It happens to all brands and the 5.7L V8 would occasionally fail.

Blaming every new truck that breaks down on the same engine debris issue sure does make people question the “cleaning fix.” When it could just be a random problem.

 

I don’t agree. They isolated the issue, fixed it to their knowledge and restarted production.

What do you expect them to do differently? Stop all production for months and months putting suppliers, transport companies, employees out of work during this time? Causing damage to the local economies in multiple states and countries?

I get the frustration, but let’s be reasonable.

 

I feel the same way, let it play out and let the investigation happen to determine why the engine failed.

 

That ‘25 Mudbath Pro with the locked motor…it’s hard to imagine that it’s not a spun bearing, but it may not be the #1 crank bearing. It’s not always that bearing. Sometimes it’s a rod bearing. This would be consistent with debris being the issue. Debris gets somewhere, whether it clogs an oil channel and starves a bearing or simply grinds a bearing to a halt.

The FB failure I posted a while back in Tallahassee was a rod bearing. Toyota corporate stepped in and said they’d take care of it after the dealer shamelessly tried to blame it on having an oil change done at a different shop with absolutely zero evidence that the oil change had anything to do with it.

The way Toyota is tackling the issue makes sense to me: issue a recall with a new long block fix while not putting a stop sale on new trucks. If the failures have slowed down a lot, I would bet the recall doesn’t get extended…That just doesn’t seem nefarious to me. Whether it’s confidence-inspiring is another matter…

 

I guess my words did shame Toyota more than intended. Although I am happy with how the resolution has been decided to take place, I am still in belief that the resolution was not fully in place when they claim it to be. That is my opinion, based on continued failure way past that date.

 

On the 25 mudbath one, isn't 1,500 miles extremely early for it to be a debris issue?? Wouldn't it/does it take longer for the debris motors to fail? Maybe the poster doesn't truly know what this issue is and is just assuming its a motor?

 

Not at all. There have been failures with less miles than that. There is one locally that failed at 17 miles before it ever left the dealership lot.

 

Failures have not slowed down.

 

Yes except there are already VIN confirmed 2025s with spun bearings. And I don't remember ever seeing a thread about 5.7L failures or 4.0L failures for that matter. This motor has serious QC issues, whether you attribute that to the design or manufacturing process or a little of both I guess is up to you. Toyota has had 7 years to fix this issue; and has promised it's been fixed a few times before; yet here we are with failed 2025s showing up.

The debris issue was supposed to have been fixed in 2023 and in 2024 and then again (3rd try) in 2024 according to Toyota, but it's somehow "laughable" to assume that Toyota doesn't have this sorted out now? Am I to believe it would be more plausible that Toyota's best engineers and QC folks, even when given almost 8 years to fix a "simple debris issue in manufacturing," can't produce a motor that won't eat bearings in two separate plants? That doesn't make any sense to me, especially given that Toyota has built what are arguably the most durable motors in the world for decades.

 

Or it could be that the debris issue wasn't fully resolved at TMMAL until Early-Mid November 2024.

And when the failure happens and someone posts, it is impossible for them to include what was found unless they wait to post about the failure until after the dealership looks at it.

The biggest issue for Toyota right now: Hybrids continue to fail and there is proof that the vehicle no longer have "motive power" and yet they aren't recalling them. Sour taste for the owners and those who are following the failures.

 

In June of 2024, the Powertrain Product Quality Manager within the Quality Department at TMNA HQ resigned without warning. It was only 26 days after the 24TA07 Recall was issued.

 

Should've committed seppuku.

 

resign or else

 

Yes.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCMN-24V381-5274.pdf

 

At least it’s not Russia where he’d end up “falling out” of a locked 34th floor window accidentally.…. Lol

 

Is there an all-encompassing confirmed failure list out there I’m not aware of?

I thought He Who Shall Not Be Named stopped updating his spreadsheet.

 

Still being updated. There is now a Sequoia from 2024.

 

So is there an assumption as to what month / year this issue was finally fixed for “good?” Or can we assume that these engines are still being manufactured with the same issue?

 

Late November 2024 and after.

The Mudbath Failure that was posted to Facebook is interesting. Hopefully the owner updates us on what the dealership finds.

 

interesting how? Cause it’s a post “process fixed” failure?