Tundra engine recall - interesting news

It appeared from the videos of engine replacement shared here that they already have to take the wheels off and drop the truck right to the ground in order to get enough clearance to hoist the motors out and in. Having a lift kit for sure would complicate things. This is a very interesting conundrum.

 

What's the difference between your lift and a factory lift. Are they charging the people with factory lifts? Weird! Personally I think it is a bunch of horse pies for the dealer to do that! They advertise the trucks that have lifts because these are 4x4 trucks for offroad use!? Good luck on that


Figure out how much to put it back to stock and go from there?

 

Well, testerdahl made a good point above. Remove a local dealership and you're removing jobs and revenue from the local economy. They often scam the unwise and naive, but Caveat Emptor. Dealer trained techs often move on to open their own shops, thereby creating choice and keeping jobs and money locally.

The Car Care Nut guy has posted videos about the Tesla graveyard near his shop in Chicago. If there was a Tesla dealership in Chicago would there be a pileup of Teslas gathering snow?

 

I don’t really agree with that point, especially as it pertains to the sleazier dealerships. I know this isn’t how he meant it, but it’s hard for me not to read that as, “well they make a lot of money screwing people, so I guess we need to keep them around.”

Most of them these days are owned by massive corporate investment groups. These are generally not good places to work, people are treated poorly, and turnover is very high. It’s not something people dream of doing or go to school for. There’s a reason the car salesman has a stereotype.

My last test drive was a Tesla. It was amazing. I downloaded an app, showed up to an address, the app navigated me to the car, I got in and had an hour to drive it and check it out. Someone from Tesla followed up with me later by phone. The price is the price. None of this advertise one price, then put a bug deflector and cheap ceramic on it for an extra $3k business. No middle man, no financing sleight-of-hand, no games, no tricks.

“Graveyard” seems like an interesting term for unsold inventory. I mean, they’re going to have to park them somewhere. I’d rather buy a car gathering snow out in a field direct than pay an upcharge to a middleman to buy the same vehicle gathering snow on his lot.

 

I think I mentioned earlier, I don't buy extended warranties, paint protection, yada yada. I just go buy a car for a price agreed upon. It takes less than a minute to shut down all the antics and hand over a bank draft. Maybe because we never finance vehicles it's different, don't know but it's only frustrating if you put up with it. We typically deal with smaller dealers because we're rural but we're also only 30 minutes from a major (million and a half people) city and last year bought a used car from a large multi line dealer and it was a quick easy process, even from a used car salesman, the lowest of the low.

 

My GF's sister spent most of her career working at car delaerships as an office and HR manager. It was always bad, but recently with all the big takeovers it got much worse. She said they were real snakepits and marveled at how the profits got shoveled to the few, while unconnected workers get long hours and low pay. She finally pulled the plug and went to work as a social worker where at least she gets the sense of doing some good.

 

Everytime I go into my Toyota dealer there are two service advisors at the computer checking me in. One is a newbie trainee being taught by the person that was the previous newbie trainee the last time I cane in. Been that way for 6 years across two owners.

Down at the Nissan dealer for my wife's vehicle been the same service advisor for 8 years across two owners. Guessing they pay more than minimum wage

 

I dream of a direct to consumer model

 

So, who has had the recall completed, or what born on date are the "groups" of the recall at in feb of 25

 

The document hasn't hit NHTSA yet, but the timeline got updated.

Phase 2 has been pushed to March 2025.
Phase 3 has been pushed to May 2025.
Phase 4 has been pushed to July 2025.

 

Thank you so much
Anyone have idea of the phases manufacture date range ???

 

Local dealers (even if owned by a corporate entity) provide a lot of jobs, generate tax revenue for the town, county and state they are in. Don't know where your hatred comes from. Did you get hoodwinked? If so, that was your fault, frankly.

Does Tesla provide local jobs? How does Tesla benefit the local economy? Are you so naive you think Tesla is doing you a favor? They're not passing on to the consumer any savings they achieve. GM, Ford, Toyota won't either. They will try to get every penny they can from
the buyer no matter what the business model is.

If you get hoodwinked or scammed that's your fault. Caveat emptor, because anybody selling anything is looking to squeeze out a profit.

 

Not advocating for Tesla but they do have 3 "dealerships" here in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area so yes, they do contribute to local economies.

 

I mean there are Toyota, Ford and Chevy graveyards right now if by graveyard you mean unsold inventory. As a matter of fact, every dealership is filling up or full of inventory creating massive graveyards, I don't know why Tesla would be exempt. They have to park their inventory somewhere, so they lease space in different regions to make it easier to deliver.

The difference is that sometimes they have lots with cars for an entire state or half of a state. During the first quarter Tesla has 28 days inventory on Tesla Model 3's for example. That is pretty much on line with most of Toyotas popular models. For example the Corolla has a 31 day supply.

 

Well damn, gonna eat crow on this one. I guess I don't get out and about enough. I googled Tesla dealers in Colorado and I see there is one on what can be called "dealership row" in Littleton, probably sandwiched in between a Toyota dealer and other brands. There's even one in Gypsum, CO.

 

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCMN-24V381-1105.pdf

 

How much were the Tesla markups during the Covid-19 era?

 

Out pricing it’s consumer.

 

This is an odd argument. It sounds like, screw people who get hoodwinked because frankly it's their fault, but when we talk about eliminating dealers as a necessary middle-man, we can't do that...those poor dealers provide jobs and tax revenue! Lol. Lmao even.

Do you think tax is NOT paid when a car is purchased without going through a dealer?

This argument is a microcosm of the "they're too big to fail" bailouts. No thanks. Let the market decide. Dealers weaseled their way into being a legally required middle-man. And now the market is providing other methods. Turns out if your automobile is basically a giant battery, you don't fit the antiquated definition of a product that needs to be sold through an auto dealer. Of all the things people love about Tesla, the buying experience is near the top of the list for a reason. It's because there is ZERO bullshit.

Look at online-only dealerships. They're doing more business than ever. Carvana is one of the shadier companies out there (they're not exactly above board with their inventory or financing), but it seems like they're thriving. Why? Because people hate the dealership model so much. The price is the price.

I think I've spelled it out pretty clearly where my ire comes from. Just because I haven't fallen for their bullshit doesn't mean I'm not absolutely sick of it.

That old grandma who got absolutely wrecked on her trade-in and didn't notice the $10k dealer mark-up or the extra point tacked onto her interest rate? Screw her, right? Her fault? Let the vultures bleed her dry? She should've paid attention, even though these guys do this every day, and she buys a car every 10 years. Should've practiced her haggle game more I guess?

Come on, man.

 

There is a "too big to fail" aspect in my thinking. Ignorant me just found out there is a Tesla dealership near my house. I'll go there and see firsthand if there are shenanigans during the buying process.

 

An unnecessary game we are forced to play.

 

A game not everyone is willing or able to play

 

So where do you take your online car for service? or a recall? What's the current wait time on getting a Tesla repaired?

 

Since I bought my Tundra, I have never been back to a Toyota dealer. Warranty expired with zero recalls or issues. I maintain it in my driveway. After I installed new suspension, I did go get an alignment. Other than that, it has never been in a shop. Find a local mechanic you trust who depends on his own reputation for his livelihood. Or I guess you can keep (over)paying a dealer service center for subpar work.

I’m not saying we should eliminate all dealers. I’m saying, eliminate them as a necessary step in the process of buying a new car.

99% of Tesla issues are fixed with an over-the-air update while it sits charging in your garage.

 

Unfair comparison. Tesla’s are rolling computers that act like cars. The Tundra is a truck with a computer. Big difference.

 

What can a Gen 3 update over the air? I think they added a home button on the display and they have access to some telemetry data points but I think it's pretty limited.

 

To brand supported dealer service centers, the service center is the main profit driver for a dealership, that piece can stay and continue to be profitable IMO. There is no need for the I just got a job yesterday and they are pressuring me to lie to you salesman job at a dealership.

I mean you can buy a Hyundai on Amazon now.

 

There's physical Tesla sales/service locations, but they are not franchised or owned by a separate entity. I think the hate that most normal dealerships get are the result of the owners. Toyota dealer in city 1 can be a totally different experience than Toyota dealer in city 2, all because of the owners and their management / sales styles. You'd still have some discrepancy between two manufacturer-owned "dealerships", but it should be more consistent.

I wouldn't expect to see Toyota (or many others) going direct to consumer. Several states already have shot that down, or are in the process of shutting it down. The dealer lobbyists are just getting bigger thanks to the Autonations of the world.

 

This highlights the benefit of EVs: zero maintenance. OTA software updates. In terms of purpose, it’s not that big a difference at all, as the majority of truck owners simply use it to commute.

EVs have their own downsides, but I don’t think any Tesla owner is mad about not needing to eat up most of a day going to a dealership for service/maintenance on a regular basis.

 

True. Although, I'd be mad about other things if I owned a Tesla. Subpar build quality, warranty issues galore (calling out techs and waiting on them to fix things), constant changes in value due to massive price cuts, lackluster interiors, etc...