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@GODZILLA that's a helluva PSU. I've never needed that much juice lol.

 

I used to live within 20 minutes of both a Microcenter and Fry's. It was definitely bad for my bank account. I moved about an hour's drive (on a good day) from MC, although I had a Fry's within 30 mins from the new place. Sad that they closed.

But yeah, the deal I mentioned on the prior page was also in-store only at Microcenter. I do appreciate that - to a certain extent - because it keeps me in check. Unlike the other night I was refreshing the Best Buy website seeing if a 5080 was available, which I have no business getting one being that I'm less than a year from having picked up a 4070S.

 

This is why.

 

It's in stock at Newegg...

PC part picker sucks for a lot of reasons.

 

Huh. I checked it when I first shopped and it was actually out except for a scamazon listing.

Guess I should have checked again.

 

I'm doubtful the Amazon listing was a scam. Amazon is highly reputable and liable for any third party seller on their site.

In any case, glad you got what you needed and it is an amazing CPU.

I'm a big AMD fan.. love where their valueerformance ratio is, and because I CPU mine for certain coins AMD is the absolute best option for me across CPU and GPU options.

 

I just type scamazon so it doesn't link the site. It was price gouged. That was reason enough.

 

I love their Ryzen CPUs but their GPUs can suck it. Sure it'll work out of the box but the first craptastic patch they issue and it's a brick.

 

If you guys are on the hunt for a 9800x3d ended up using the HotStock app.

I just went the free way of using the app. I got a push alert on my phone and was able to get it through best buy....Amazon sold out too quickly.
You can pay to get push notifications quicker than others or pay a little more to have them do the transaction for you.

I'll probably use it again for the 5070ti when it releases.

Here's the logs of the last times they went in stock.

 

I've run AMD GPUs for decades - never experienced what you are describing.

 

I’ve had a lot more issues with AMD drivers than I have with Nvidia YMMV

 

Bingo.

 

Unfortunate that this is your experience - i have literally only run AMD GPUs for at least the last 12 years and have not had these issues. I use their flagship cards for 3D modeling, GPU mining, and occasionally for gaming - some of the most graphics intensive games at 2k and max settings..

I have had rare driver compatability issues with a specific game or other application (everything else works fine, but some specific thing about a game or app doesnt gel with a driver) but have never had an issue reverting to previous drivers until a patch comes out. I've certainly never applied BIOS or GPU firmware that "bricked" the device. My brother, who is a high level sysadmin and an avid gamer, uses Nvidia and Intel and has often commented that he experiences this at a similar rate.

I would argue that quality of adjacent components is likely a contributor to your bad experiences.

 

Ok. Well it happened to me once and that was all it took for me to walk away from their GPUs.

 

Guaranteed it will also eventually happen to you with an Nvidia card. Although I'm not sure *exactly* what happened to you once - but if quality was grossly unbalanced between these two brands there wouldn't be AMD fans at all. Sucks that something that may have been a fluke or not even directly the fault of the GPU has caused you to take such a drastic step back from the company. The performance:cost ratio of AMD is undoubtedly the winner in a dollar for performance unit (FPS, power consumption, reliability, many other metrics) comparison.


I run a PowerColer 7900XTX right now - just to provide an example:










(that 71 hours is over a LONG period of time)


I guess all I'm saying is this; next time you want to buy a flagship GPU consider AMD again. You can get 100% performance that you likely won't fully need/use from Nvidia for $2000, or get 98.5% performance from AMD for $1400. That extra 1.5% is not worth an additional 45% cost.

Personally, I don't mind working through minor inconveniences - feel that it teaches me a lot.

 

You act like I am trying to derail all future buyers from AMD GPUs when all I'm doing is giving my personal experience. You wanna be their brand ambassador go right on ahead.

Their Ryzen CPUs are Kings of the Hill no doubt and I'll always throw my money at those. My money for GPUs goes to Nvidia hands down, and historically speaking, the AMD cards for gaming don't beat Nvidia performance.

 

haha - calm down, I was just trying to give you my reasoning. Once I had a bad Poptart but I didn't write off Poptarts for the rest of my life.

My point was this - you are probably NOT using 100% of your Nvidia GPU's capability. You wouldn't use 100% of an AMD GPU's capability. That 1.5% performance increase you see for a 45% price increase with Nvidia is certainly not noticeable to a human. Reliability, across both platforms, is incredibly consistent.. Further, if I can get a flagship AMD GPU for $1400, and a third-tier Nvidia GPU for the same price - which one do you think performs better at that price point?

I don't care what you do with your money - just trying to give you some things to think about.

What GPU do you run right now? Unless it's a top of the line Nvidia, the performance reasoning is moot anyway.

 

To put it another way - before the RTX 5000 series came out (this month), the 4000 prices were quite a bit higher. My 7900 XTX was the 6th best consumer GPU you could get, and cost about $400 less than the next most affordable Nvidia card.

So yeah, if you're a benchmark guy where this really matters, I totally get the performance argument. If you're an average user who doesn't ever see or notice the performance difference (I assure you, that extra 20 FPS is not having an impact that a human can notice once we're talking about 144 FPS+) then you're kind of spending money on a Ferrari that you're driving like a BMW. If you're doing it because you just LOVE Ferrari more than BMW, I completely understand that - but the performance argument doesn't make sense.

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

I'm not trying to sell you on anything, I promise! Sorry for suggesting you give them another shot. I just felt like the argument was "my GPU choice is superior to yours!" so I thought I would explain the mental math I've done to come to the conclusion that AMD is the better valueerformance option, and still performs at a level above what I need. =]

 

If I tell you what GPU I have are you going to rip it apart and play AMD vs Nvidia for the rest of the thread? You still don't seem to understand that I am merely giving my anecdotal experience with bad AMD drivers which has caused me to switch over to their competition which has also driven others to do the same by the way. If you don't like my reasoning or can't seem to grasp my logic, sorry to say, I don't care.

 

haha - I'm not the one who is upset.. Sorry to offer a different opinion. I'll back out now.

 

All I know Nvidia is making me shit load of $$$ in stocks, between 100-300% return

 

Ok, I'll back out AFTER this - but I don't disagree at all there and have owned Nvidia for a long time. Right now they are soaring primarily due to usage in AI development, and not necessarily because of performance of their consumer-level GPU business.

 

I quit playing the d1ck measuring contest years ago. I don't care about benchmarking and I'm not trying to get the beast card flavor of the month to go onto forums and brag hoping my wife sees how cool I am so I can get some later that night. I don't have the latest and greatest card, but it definitely does everything I throw at it (gaming) and I didn't even pay for it so there goes your argument for overpaying for a boutique name.

 

Their CEO is a brilliant mofo. The diversification into AI which has led to Elon doing business with them is making anyone involved with Nvidia stock very happy.

 

I'm sure you're aware of this but their GPU costs soared during the mining craze which caused massive shortages on the market for regular consumers like us.

 

Mildly tweaked. I don't get upset at online comments - if anything, trolls get trolled. You seem to like to push buttons and I've just finished with my 2nd cup of java.

 

haha - dude, you are unhinged. I quite literally gave a very reasonable comment to justify my thought process and you're over here talking about measuring your dick.

Hope you have a nice weekend. I truly didn't mean to trigger you. I'm out!

 

Sure thing, bud. Have a blessed Sunday.

 

I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but I think the negative AMD GPU stigma goes back further before 2010. I stopped using their GPUs probably around 2007-2008 or so due to what was stated above with their driver support. From what I remember, the sucky driver support went on for a little longer than that, and it didn't just stem from gaming performance (I remember a lot of crashes back in those days), but also support for desktop usage, things such as multi-monitor were buggy from what I remember, among other things that aren't coming to mind at the moment.

And it wasn't just me, I'd say 80% of the guys I used to game with at LAN parties (we had a group of 30+ players back then) all eventually jumped ship and went to Nvidia. It just seemed like AMD was often slow to adopt. I'm certain it's better now, but regardless I just haven't looked back. Unfortunately I think that stigma has had a lasting impression as I've seen random posts over the years from people that have that opinion, and no doubt continues to influence younger/newer PC gamers to go Nvidia.

And this isn't a dig on AMD GPUs, I will not say that Nvidia is better. I'm just stating what I remember what the atmosphere was back then. And for the record, I'm also a AMD/Ryzen guy. Haven't had an intel CPU in any of my builds since maybe 2012 or so, save for a gaming laptop I got over the holidays, but that was only due to a sale I couldn't pass on.

 

Damn, this whole convo got me looking back at the GPUs I had during the 2000s and going into the 2010s. I remember the ATi Radeon 9700 Pro was the top dog for a long time which released in the early 2000s. I used it for about 5+ years if I recall, and I went through several AMD GPUs (after they acquired ATi) before eventually getting a GeForce 8800 GTS maybe late 2007/early 2008 - all because of Crysis. That GPU lasted me about 4 years, which was replaced with a 560 Ti, and once again because of Crysis when the sequel was released. That 560 was the bomb, and ran Crysis 2 at a whopping 1280 x 720!! lol I had that one for about 6 years.