Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Kinda chuckle at you guys complaining about turning radius, try 163" wheelbase, which should be close to a crewmax 6.5? This is about as offroad as I will ever get so turning radius doesn't factor into buying decisions, and as for parking these large radius trucks, you just back into spots and it's nearly as quick and easy as driving your short wheelbase straight in.



and no my motor isn't recalled (thread content) but I am still interested in this interesting news.

 

3rd gen 4x4 Tundra is closer to your turn radius (53’) than it is to the prior gen Tundra…

 

damn you .4

 

I think his point was, a lift raises the frame and body relative to the axles. The axles are typically the lowest point of ground clearance, especially the rear axle at the differential. If you just do a lift, without larger tires, those lowest points of clearance don't really change.

 

^ can confirm.

 

We get that, but…

he said any ground clearance or off-road abilities , the trd lift certainly improves some things and lowest point of ground clearance doesn’t mean your not gaining clearance elsewhere

but alas , now we can talk about lifts for 6 pages and .4 turning radius numbers

interesting news eh?

 

To me, any discussion of ground clearance and true 4-wheeling in a pickup is kinda funny. Where I wheel my Jeep, you'll never see a pickup of any kind.

I believe in most cases, the desire to lift and put large tires on a pickup has more to do with appearance than off-roading functionality. Not all cases, of course.

 

A jeep is just a short (ish) wheelbase frame with 2 solid axles under it. Doesn't matter what kind of body it has on it.

 

Yes, that was my point. The long wheelbase and large turning radius of a full-sized pickup makes them less than ideal for most hardcore wheeling.

Heck, I have a 2-track on my property that no full-sized pickup could navigate, but it's fun with my old CJ7.

 

Its simple. 3" of suspension lift doesn't move where the diffs are if tire diameter remains the same. So the lowest point (differentials) remains where they are, and therefore the ground clearance remains unchanged.

All a lift does is push the body/frame up from the lower control arms (in the front) and the rear axle assembly (in the rear).

Yes you can generally fit larger diameter tires with a lift, but once you do it's the larger tires that increase ground clearance, not the suspension lift.

 

I appreciate you qualifying it - conversely I take my truck where majority of jeeps owners wouldn’t touch. I think the saying goes a Jeep will get you there, a Toyota will get you home.



Hells Revenge anyone?


Mineral Creek -> Animas Forks -> California Pass -> Corkscrew


Imogene Pass

 

sweet pics hauler

 

I think that saying was coined sometime after Chrysler started building junk and sticking the "Jeep" name on it.

I'd love to take you on a few trails that I take my real Jeep on.

Beautiful pics, BTW.

 

I’d love to do that and thank you.


We have a triple locked side by side and I’m at the point I feel my truck is 95% as capable while being 1000x more comfortable and 10x less sketchy. It’s not all cons with the long/wide wheel base.

 

Tunnel vision hurts. You are clearly looking at half the picture. One of two angles. As a suspension lift doesn’t increase the height of the differentials (hence side to side height clearances), it DOES increase the height of the frame in a front to rear aspect. AND is most definitely needed to attain that differential clearance increase with the big tires you obviously NEED to install to gat that super differential to ground clearance.

Remember to keep adequate tire pressure, or your differential ground clearance will turn to shit !

 

I was thinking of you out there today man, it was negative fuckin fifteen (-15) this morning, ugh, so done with this shit.

wife and I talk daily about this, lol. Can't wait, I have oro locked into my weather app

 

It was close to freezing here this morning - it’s no -15 but I’ll be happy when lows are back in the 50s this weekend.

 

You were wrong when you questioned my statement about "suspension lifts not increasing ground clearance". I replied with completely accurate and factual information and now you get snarky and try to move the goal posts. I'll refrain from correcting you further as to not waste mine or your time.

 

I agree, a long and wide wheelbase can help in certain wheeling situations.

Not so much if you are navigating 2' tall boulders, super tight trees, or steep approach and departure angles with no space in-between.

 

just a question, and a clarification for discussion, not shit talking

don't you think that all the other points of the truck being raised for more ground clearance is worth something other than just 100% focusing on the lowest measurable point? after all, the pumpkin can bounce off and scrape a hell of a lot more than the rest of the truck can without damage.

I think that is the disconnect here.

and you said, "3" lift doesn't do anything for ground clearance or off-road ability"

I was talking more about the other points of the truck being higher, and the other gains of off-road ability by adding the OEM factory TRD Lift which comes with all kinds of shit, not just 3", the shocks, etc are significantly better for some off-road situations, etc.

anyways, thats where my mind was when I originally brought this up.

 

My honest opinion is that a suspension lift alone typically provides almost zero off road benefits by itself. I say that assuming tire size isn't increased. If tire size is increased then everything changes.

Just lifting bumpers (and other body/frame components) higher off the ground won't change much in my experience. It's far more typical that I bash unsprung components like diffs, control arms, and my rear axle tube (if you bash them bad enough you'll get stuck, or break stuff --> typically not the case when bashing a bumper). And again bigger tires is the only thing that lifts those components higher off the ground.

The fancy electronics (ATRAC, crawl control, etc) and locking diff absolutely help off-roading ability. Suspension lifts simply do not.

For the record I'm not trying to argue any Tundra gen is best offroad. Mine is a pavement princess, because I have a 1st Gen Tacoma that absolutely romps

 

if thats your opinion, fine, I'll respect that. I just disagree a bit, which doesn't mean shit either, lol.

what about the fox shocks with reservoirs, etc, any help at all in your mind? again, the TRD lift come with more than just like a 3" spacer jammed in there

nice taco, looks lifted, HA

take care!

 

I love it when doods on this forum flex 10-15 year old trucks all day long. Rock on peps.

and goodluck to Borla moving to Arizona- if the scorpions or rattlesnakes don't get you the 130 degrees might.

just make sure you get one of those lights so you can glow light the little buggers before you go to sleep.

 

Maneuvering almost like a midsize is a huge deal on trails and fire service roads. It’s fun to surprise people in 4Runners and GXs with where I can fit. Yes I have had to buff out a few pinstripes, but also a little 18V chainsaw is my friend.

Just being honest—163” wheelbase in a half ton is wild to me. If I’m driving something that big, it better come with 4,000 lb of payload. Lol

 

If you just think of a thread like this as a bunch of dudes sitting in a waiting room shooting the breeze, it makes more sense.

The doc will be out at some point with material information, lol

 

What app do you use to find these places? Nice pics!

 

gee thanks.

 

Land Between The Lakes. Recommend not slowing down in this situation


We went up Imogene the “wrong” way (Ouray to Telluride). This is just after the rain and hail stopped. Thankfully, no dents.

No locker, just ATRAC and the extra clearance from 35.1” tires and the extended travel of the TRD Fox kit. We were never less than absolutely sure-footed. Need to go back soon.