Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Good grief

 

Charlie Brown?

 

Would you stop counting!

 

I want to just throw a couple of thoughts out, based on a few comments from page 69-75.

I know I am not on much, and I have posted some pics of my Gen 2 Tundra. In another post I mentioned I bought another truck. Well, I have sold my Tundra (I will make a potential farewell post) for a couple of reasons.

1. I paid $18k for it (2010 with 165k miles on it). In the course of four years I had to put about $10k work of repairs into it. I am not sure what was going on, but every time I turned around, it was having something.

2. Because I was sinking so much into the truck, and it was spending a bit of time in the shop (granted everything fixed on it was truly fixed), it was becoming more than I could financially keep up with.

Here is where I want to jump in based on a few comments, because we, as one poster said, gather around our trucks. I did not go back with a Tundra. First, I could not afford the Tundra's with the mileage that I was looking for. They are going for $40k and up at my needs. Second, jumping into a 3rd Gen was never really on the radar for me because of the TT V6. I prefer the simple, just straight forward "archaic" engines that just work.

So, in my case, as other posters were talking here, I did go to an HD Ram. I now own a 2500. It has the crew cab with an 8' bed and the 6.4 L V8. I am in the process now of picking up Mopar warranty, to give me a little piece of mind.

I paid a little under $20K for a 2020 with 86k miles on it. The truck is from Tx and so no rust at all in it.

I guess I wanted to first say to all the 3rd Gen owners, I'm sorry this is happening. I don't know how wide spread or what everything entailed, and I am still working through the thread, so I will see if there is an answer. But as for build, ride, engine, to me, the Ram just seems more solid than what my Tundra did. Perhaps I am wrong, and maybe I will be proven wrong, but I had always thought I would stay in a Tundra for the rest of my life. I need the truck to be a truck and while I loved the 5.7, I am enjoying my 6.4. The extra bed space is just icing on the cake coupled with my load capacity (I believe I read it was about 3,400 lbs, and a towing ability of 17,500 lbs). I cannot ask for more. I hope Toyota gets this solved, and I think they will, in time. But I also share the sentiment of a couple of others on this thread who have expressed the following: "They are looking outside of Toyota at a GMC", and "This is absolutely not Toyota level quality".

I have just a stripped down Ram Tradesman if that question is wondered. But I saw mentioned on here Ram once or twice and just wanted to share what my experiences have been with it so far. My dad used to own an old green Ram square body from like the late 70's to mid 80's, and I never thought I would find myself in one. But for power, and ride, it is smoother than my Tundra. Comfort wise, it feels good. Not air ride type, but good. Will be putting it through our usual summer trip this year and it will be a big one.

 

ok, all done interesting news I guess

 

Two things. First—“much better designed truck” is subjective. I am not a 3rd gen hater; I just don’t get the decisions Toyota made, and the engine issues, like a large car wreck on the other side of the highway, have piqued my interest. Straight up weird stuff for Toyota.

Ever since the ‘22 debuted, I decided I’m not interested in trading into another half-ton that has gone backward in visibility, articulation, turn radius, ground clearance, and rear axle rating with a shared frame that is 4” or 6” narrower where sliders mount with different length front CV axles and a much longer hood. I would still feel this way if there were no massive recall.

It’s clear Toyota built this truck to favor the pavement. That’s fine; it’s just not how I use my truck.

Second thing—and I know I’m like a much older man trapped in a millennial’s body, but I don’t care how it feels to drive it. Yes it feels different/better/stronger/etc with the low end torque and diesel-like response. I. Don’t. Care. That’s not why I bought my truck. There is not a single trailer out there that I would hook up a 3rd gen Tundra to that I wouldn’t also hook my truck up to.

A few pages back we saw there is a 0.2sec difference in the 0-60 times of the 2nd and 3rd gen. This is a laughable statistic to care about when it comes to full size trucks, but it shows me people put too much stock in their own butt dyno.

I wanted the same debut out front of the entire segment that we got with the 2nd gen, but with much higher payload. Since that isn’t the case, I’m in my last half ton (and therefore my last Toyota truck).

 

Wait, the front axles are two different lengths now?

 

now thats interesting news on the recall

keep it going, we need to hear why more people don't like it

 

Firstly, pavement use IS the primary use of our trucks. The truck is too big for extreme off roading. That's where the Tacoma is much more suited inside the Toyota branding.

Secondly, let's place equally weight and compatible trailer behind each of our trucks. Say, 9K lbs... and see who does a 1/4 mile lap down the track quicker. Torque and transmission gearing will prove which is a "much better designed truck" to do what people want out of a 1/2 ton truck today. I know how my 2022 pulled my 24' race ready trailer with a 3500 lb car inside with generator and nice amount of tools in the chest on the cabinet. I had zero lag on takeoffs and if felt like nothing was behind me.

We will just agree to disagree, but these trucks have advanced

 

Yeah. Odd. 2nd gen on the bottom. 3rd gen’s in red (top one is passenger side)

 

And the result is…we’ll both get it done. This is my point. Will yours do it a little faster? Yeah, probably. Mine will just in all likelihood last significantly longer doing it.

Power was never the problem with the 5.7 trucks; both it’s and the 3.4tt’s limiting factor is payload.

 

your not going to get anywhere with him.....

he's dead set on a limited set of negative points, it's just the way it is, we all have our subjective views, this is his, been around and around with him.

for example, he says the gen 2.5 is better than the gen 3 off-road due to ground clearance and small articulation differnece, axle rating, etc, fine points conceded, but.....

Let's just ignore the other side of the coin. The gen 3 has , (which the gen 2.5) never did some of the following off-road goodies

a OEM factory 3" lift available
MTS and crawl
rear locker
360 view camera including front
higher payload
OEM light bar
and yes (tow hooks are now available) ridiculous beefy ones at that

 

But should any of that matter to me? The BEST truck is the one in my driveway that I own. What anyone else thinks about my choice is not my problem, and hence no need for me to compare, defend or justify anything.

And, if I don't like it anymore, I will get something else. Simple. Peaceful.

 

What does all this have to do with engine recall??

 

No, it shouldn’t at all, just truck forum stuff

boost on!

 

100% absolutely nothing

 

lulz!!

 

Not trying to nit pick but a 3" lift doesn't do anything for ground clearance or off-road ability without being paired with larger diameter than stock tires.

 

Say what? Really?? What exactly does 3" of lift do? Are you thinking of lifting the seat only? And what does that 3" lift provide but overall ground clearance with more ability to run larger diameter than stock tires?

Just saying...

 

O, man, really? "does't do anything"? nothing, nada?

This just proves the point, no matter what Toyota does or offers with the gen 3, it just can't win with some of the gen 2/2.5 crowd simply on the principle that's its new and not what they have. I not saying you in particular (to be clear,Im not trying to be a jerk), just this kinda mentality

and yes, a 3" TRD lift helps and improves off-road performance, even with stock tires.

 

The thing is - there were already plenty of options to get 2-3” of lift. Now they have mismatching CV axles so you can’t carry one spare… that’s definitely a downgrade from gen 2 where the same part works for both sides.

They also increased turning radius by nearly 15% - I’d like to meet someone who didn’t want the truck to turn as sharp as the previous generation.

Not all the changes were in the right direction.

 

Yep, I get roped in and feel compelled to offer a counter perspective to the “this new truck is better in every way”-type posts.

If it is for you, great, but don’t make an objective statement about what is ultimately subjective.

It went backward for me, in the areas I care about.

I’m not disappointed in your truck. I don’t think you’re wrong or dumb for choosing it. Obviously many people are buying them. I’m just salty at Toyota.

It’s like they need to change their tagline

“Let’s go (paved) places” lol

Threads wander and meander. Especially one like this; no new info means it’s gonna wander. It’s a forum. People are gonna post.

This is truly not a big deal to most of us.

 

I get that hauler, but I was talking OEM Toyota stuff and the benefits of that, not getting into aftermarket mods

besides, its mute anyways I guess, 3" lifts do ZERO, nada, not a single thing for off-roading.

and that was a nice way to present that data , by using % instead of the actual numbers it looks a lot bigger, but I won't argue your point of wanting a bigger Turning radius, of course not. But that's what came with going to the shared frame

isn't it 10% anyways though , 48 vs 44? perhaps we need to look that up again

 

What I saw was 44.0’ vs 49.8’. 13.1% if my math is okay.

 

nah, I always enjoy our talks, Ive been around long enough, this is entertainment for me and I try to help others the best I can.

and Im glad Im not dumb or wrong for my truck choice, wheew , that was a close one

and LOL @ "let's go paved places". that was good

 

I swear we share some DNA…

 

I think thats TRD pro not the others which are a little smaller, I thought it was 48 vs 44 for most models. I guess we need to brush up our numbers.

except the crewmax 6.5, which is like 50 (I think). but we don't have to worry about that comparison, you could never even get that in the older gens HEHE.

but hell a crewmax 6.5 off-road? hell, may as well take a limo FFS

 

ugh, hopefully not, I didn't think you guys were that type....

 

I was bored for a min, so here we go from the mother ship.



There is no doubt the short snout and "little bit" of smaller turning circle is better for off-road for sure in the older trucks.