Thoughts if v8 will return within 4 years?

I work in energy infrastructure development (to include renewables AND oil & gas). I don't want to siderail this interesting topic with a diatribe about how 45Q tax credits work. This financing model you're purporting isn't how any renewable or traditional energy project is financed.

 

I said nothing about financing a project, a lot of utility companies have the resources to front the money then get it back. They are not relinquishing their carbon credits. Maybe some low-level utilities need financing but with higher interest rates and carbon credit funding drying up a lot of out of country EV players have cut bait and closed up shop. Those windmills were probably done 18-23 months prior and again they get them installed through government funding for pretty much a zero-cost structure.

Many of if not most of the EV charging stations you see on the road today where funded and completed via some governmental funding program. If you have an EV and stop along a charging station within the Mid-South there is probably a greater than 50 percent chance that I was involved somehow with the project. So, while I appreciate your comment, it isn't how the projects work, and most have been funded anywhere from 80-100 percent via NEMA or VW mitigation funding.

 

Sure, it depreciates much better. Not to tell it won the Ward's 10 Best Engines reward, which is a historical sign that it will have some catastrophic design defects.

 

LOL, you guys are going in the wrong direction. If anything, Toyota is going to be putting in a 4-cylinder engine in the Tundra. Just look at what the other automakers are doing. Probably a half of our GM fleet work trucks use that tiny 2.7L 4-cylinder engines in full sized Sierra/Silverado 1500's. It's a new era.

I love the V-8, but it is gone and it will never come back in a Toyota.

 

v8s are being phased out, just like the beloved EJ255 in my Subaru. No more 310hp, 20-23 MPG boxer polluter on the road. The Tundra will not be a big 4 cylinder like the Tacoma. They will continue to use v6s in them, but the displacement could get less and less. Toyota uses a 3.3 liter v6 as the base system to turbo and add Hybrid to. I figure they will use a 3 liter system before too long. As a previous v8 6.2 liter Raptor owner, I get the love fest for them. They however are heavy and making a lot of noise and being slow and sluggish in every other category is not my idea of fun.

 

Anytime you see a wind or solar farm, assume that the developer spent millions (if not billions) of dollars building it. Also assume that the developer received millions (if not billions) of dollars in 45Q tax credits. The developer and their investors front the bulk of the funds. Wind and solar farms aren't "free" to the developer. That's all I'm saying. So when an oil and gas company plops some wind turbines on their acreage, it costs them a lot of money to do it (with little-to-no ROR). They do it so they can add a page to their investor deck so activist ESG investors will leave them alone.

Also - carbon credits apply only to those companies that capture and sequester carbon. 1PointFive removes carbon from the air and injects it underground. They "create" carbon credits (don't get me started), and then sell them to companies like United Airlines for the horrible sin of burning jet fuel. Carbon credits aren't applicable to wind, solar, H2, eNG, RNG, etc...

 

If that's true, then why can I buy a domestic truck with a V8?

 

They may get rid of V6. LC is I4 now, if it proves to be sufficient for the task, Toyota may drop the V6 and use a common I4 design in the future trucks. GM is proving every day that I4 can move the 1/2 ton truck. There are other examples of tiny I4s that move a 2.5 ton rig (till the warranty expires).

 

The domestic producers get away with it more than global foreign producers. Does Ford sell a v8 F150 in any other global market than the USA? does chevy? Maybe Australia but that could be a different story.

and at Steezy, pretty much every company has sustainability goals these days, all utilities will have ramped up renewable energy's portfolios of something along the lines of 28-35 percent by the close of this decade. My slice of the pie is only 2-3 segments, but I know them very well.

 

Because their sale numbers are 5+ times more and they still can afford building vehicles for enthusiasts. "Toyota is boring".

 

I don't think Toyota will do a larger I4 motor. They had this in the late 90s early 2000s with the 2.7 liter 4 cylinder Taco option. It did not sell well and the gas mileage was about the same as the v6. It had a lot of torque though and I owned a Taco SX. It was a cool little truck for what it was back in the day.

 

I don’t know anyone who uses a truck for actual truck things that wants a turboed V6 or I4. Personally, I don’t want this iteration of Toyota’s 3.4TT. At least GM’s Turbomax seems to be holding together, it’s certainly faring better than Toyota’s 3.4, but I wouldn’t buy a Turbomax either. I just want a truck that is very unlikely to cause any significant down time for me at work. I can’t have my work truck sitting for 2-3 months waiting for a motor.

 

FWIW, the current tundra V6 has operated beautifully for the weekly towing I use it for. That said, my “dream” scenario for Toyota would be to offer a new v8 as an engine option - choose your adventure. If I were to place money on it, I doubt they bring back the v8. But a man can dream

 

It is a higher maintenance truck in general. Everything you could do in 20 minutes on a simple V8 now is taking hours, because you need to move a lot of crap for better access to what actually needs attention. Also because of a lot of new crap not present in a simple V8, you have more points of attention. These trucks will be spending lot more time in shops when they age, it is unavoidable. For that reason alone all I see around is local contractors driving 20+ years beaten trucks, because they don't break. And when they break they still get job done til owners have time and money to fix them.

 

Agree 100%. The problem is work trucks get so beat up and ugly. Then you end up needing 2 trucks, one for work and one for estimates. That’s how I ended up with 2 trucks.

 

We replace our GM work trucks ~60K miles. They are disposable pieces of crap. Just drove one of the fleet vehicles the other day and it felt like the front end was going to fall off. Anyway, on the I-4, I wouldn't be surprised that Toyota slaps one in a Tundra eventually.

However, I don't think Toyota is going to have a bunch of iterations and options like the "Big 3". I'd predict they are going to have 1-2 engines. A turbo V-6 and a turbos I-4 hybrid to make up for the lack of displacement.

 

Then get the SR5 or similar. I doubt most people are buying a Limited model or up as a work truck. I don't see an issue with the new 3.4 liter TT Toyota motor. You are basing your opinions off of 1-2 model years which has been resolved.

I have a limited Hybrid and have 24k miles on it as of now, no trouble with it whatsoever. I do not think you can base your opinion of the 3.4 liter TT motor on just a bunch of bad batch launch models.

 

Stop worrying about V8 engines and worry about the GPFs that's coming to all gas engines. You think all the highly stressed out TT engines are a bad thing? The EPA says, hold my beer.

 

Toyota has used smaller displacement turbocharged engines in trucks for decades outside of North America with great results. I don't get why so many people are acting like this is some new frontier for them. Now I do hope the current models are engineered and manufactured with the same strict tolerances and QC as the trucks produced overseas. I still think the early v6TT issues are still an outlier and going forward they will perform as well as the previous Toyota engines have for decades.

 

That’s unfortunately not the case. 2022s and 2023s are part of the initial recall. 2024s are failing. The first 2025 just ate a bearing. Over on the FB group, reports are that up to 20,000 still defective / improperly cleaned motors were put in 2025s. This problem is going to be around for awhile, and IMO Toyota can’t figure out how to fix it.

 

I think people are buying the new trucks with the TTV6, not necessarily for the TTV6. I guess we will never know if the same truck with an updated V8 with Toyotas most modern technology would sell better, which is unfortunate.

 

20 thousand out of what 210k trucks? that is less than 10 percent probably more like 5-8 percent which is industry standard. I have a 2023 Hybrid, I have run the piss out of it for 24k miles. I have had ZERO issues with my truck, you are basing your opinion on some dudes Facebook page. Okay, how did he drive it? did he ever change the oil in it? I changed my oil at 1k miles because I knew of the early model defects. Again, Toyota retooled and cleaned the factory back in January - February of 2023. Toyota is replacing them with long blocks and people are getting new engines. Your opinion isn't based upon facts of a majority of owners but rather opinion from the failed-out liners.

Everybody wants to band wagon, but this generation of Tundra's will be worth the same 35-40k at 100 thousand miles as the others.

 

It's averages across the fleet and different class brackets. A 3/4 ton 8600+lb truck is in a less-strict emissions regulatory bracket. So there are lots of 3/4 and 1 ton trucks and vans with archiac V8 engines and transmissions in them in comparision to 1/2 tons that fit into the passenger vehicle category. But it's also a fleet average. Yes you can still buy a silverado with a 5.3, but they sell more with the 2.7 and a bunch more cars with small 3 and 4 cylinder or electric motors to make up for it. Jeep would have been regulated out of business selling Wranglers years ago if they didn't sell a ton of shitbox cars with jeep badges on them.

 

V8s will not come back on anything that lost them. The winds shift every 4-8 years on smog and mpg. Manufacturers are sitting on EVs and EV manufacturing capacity that was build on the premise that government support and regulation would steer everyone that way for the foreseeable future. Now they have to adjust to a new reality.

In cases where V8s have been replaced by V6s making the same power and meeting stringent MPG standards, they're better off planning for a worse case scenario of everything tightening again in 4-8 years rather than investing in tooling and capacity to bring back V8s. Then they bring them back online and flood the lots with them only to see power change hands and find out mpg standards will abruptly shoot up again after they bet on it not happening.

In places where they're still there they may survive another few years but where they're gone they're gone forever. Only place I could maybe possibly see a V8 revival is Mopar Muscle cars. With them I could potentially see the demand for the Hemis to come back becoming too overwhelming to ignore. For half tons people generally seem to complain and then go buy the truck and get on with their lives

 

Jeep/Stellantis also wouldn't survive if they didn't purchase billions of dollars worth of carbon credits from Tesla in order to be compliant with EPA fleet MPG standards.

 

You Toyota marketing team? Do a search for 2021 Tundra values vs

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2022-2023 values. And 10% defective is industry standard? You should read up on Ryan’s old posts. Just like you, he was skeptical of having a failure. He changed his oil at 1000 miles and every 5000 miles afterwards. He thought this was all an overreaction. Then HIS motor ate a bearing. Then he started posting Toyota internal memos about the failures. Then he was banned here. Now he is very active on the FB group I told you to visit. He’s one of the only people around that has actually torn down a motor that ate a bearing. Ryan also seems to think it continues to be a problem in manufacturing vs a design issue, but it’s been confirmed that the issue was not resolved even as recently as a few months ago. That said, if I had a 3rd gen, I’d be driving it just like you and hoping I didn’t have a failure. It’s a crappy position to be in.

 

If it did, would you want it? Bring back carbs & crank windows.

 

I drive it without fear, but I also have a 10-year 150k mile warranty that is everything bumper to bumper with the exception of wear items. So, I do not live in fear of my Truck motor blowing up. I love the truck; depreciation could be the result of having 20 different models with various trim levels. You are a very positive person as the Gen 3 is the best Tundra made to date, and I never ever even looked at the Tundra before the Gen 3. Ryan did get banned from here, but I heard it was from putting other members down. He may have had some great insider knowledge I do not know but not every Gen 3 Tundra made has some ticking time bomb motor which could blow up at any moment. The ones that have blown up are getting new motors and I have not heard of many to any 2024s or 2025s blowing up. It could be just the

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2022-2023 non hybrid motors because I have not seen any recalls for the 2023 Hybrids and I own one.

 

If you’re interested, there’s a ton of info on all of the statements you’re making: hybrids, NHTSA recall, all motors vs just a few. But I get not wanting to go down that rabbit hole…. in your case it’s probably not worth it. Enjoy your tundra… they’re nice trucks!

 

Yep, you are right it does not affect me, and I do not care. The recalls that have been on my Truck (fuel lines) have been done. If or when my Truck engine blows up, I will then be concerned with it. Until that happens, I have a great truck which hasn't blown up like all the ones you claim that it will. The fuel line recall has been done, I have a second key fob, and my truck runs great. I feel bad for the ones that have to go through the engine failures though and am sympathetic. However, a lot of Gen 3 forum members on here have two to three times the miles on their trucks than I do and have had zero issues.