2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I'm not a fan of the new powerplant, but Toyota IS putting in new long blocks. The short blocks were just to get people back on the road while they figured it out and got production spooled up. Any 3rd gen Tundra in the recall is getting a long block. Your whinging and pearl clutching is a year too late.

 

That's fabulous, for anyone in the recall, what about those not in the recall? Did you read his post? It's a 2024, NOT in the recall, so he's getting a dealer repaired short block, same as anyone else who is not part of the recall. Trucks outside the recall are failing and not eligible for a long block, that's what sucks. Toyota *may* expand the recall but until they do it's not good for anyone with a blown motor.

Have you looked at the spreadsheet to see how many short blocks have been repaired? Once? Twice? How many 24s are on there?

 

As I speculated earlier they still don't know and "engine debris" was a stall, they're still looking

 

All engines produce “debris”, and their design allows for the “debris’ to cling to the Oil and be flushed out with oil changes. This is a smaller engine than the Ford 3.5 and for truck duty it is carrying a heavier load as the Tundra is heavier. This added duty being asked by a smaller motor, means hp/torque had to be at certain levels. The tolerances (crevices where oil goes to lubricate) must be tighter than the Ford’s. Assumption someone please confirm. Pictures online of Tundra 3.4 engines show blockages that have led to lack of lubrication and failures. You can see where debris started accumulating and built up. It’s not debris caused by a disgruntled line worker, on a batch of engines, as the rumors first said on this site.

Speculation as this is a public chat forum.
This engine’s design was (is) not allowing for flushing debris with oil changes, some engines failed. People that religiously changed their oil – former RyanG on this site – had an engine failure. That points to design. Enough failures that the recall was issued for safety reasons. i.e. You are doing 70 on a busy highway and the engine fails. Have they fixed the problem? Only time will tell.

Toyota and all corporate companies will always do the least amount legally to not be sued and carry on business to make shareholders happy. So it appears they are reacting rather than being proactive. There were pictures on the internet that showed ½ dozen crated long blocks sitting at a Toyota dealership waiting to be installed. Why then are some owners being told short block only? Due to doing the least amount allowable.

Run a fan in a room continuously and after some time, look at the fan ribbing and you see Dust accumulating. How can this happen you ask yourself if there is constant air moving? Well because debris is able to stick to the ribbing due to the amount (lack of) air pressure – in this case. It’s a design thing. Then you take an air compressor or something with more air pressure and you blow the accumulated dust away.

 

Having finally driven an F150 (2023 tremor) I can say that the tundra is a much more refined truck and if I were daily driving it the choice for me is obvious.

My .02

 

this engine runs zero weight 20 does it not? Even in synthetic form that is insane for a Turbo vehicle. Most Turbos run at least a 30 or 40. It means that this engine has tight tolerances with very small passageways. It would not take much debris at all to limit oil flow and cause damage. I assume Toyota tested the design before they put it into production but rather this was a fault with 1 engine supply plant that had some tooling issues. This led to debris, but yes as has been said you want Toyota to just transplant a new long block into these you do not want them to tear it all apart like that and just replace the short block.

 

I have long thought the oil weight that Toyota specified was odd too. Ford's 3.5 and 2.7 EcoBoosts both require 5w-30 and have forever. GM's 2.7 I-4 also calls for 5w-30.

 

Every engine has a percentage of failures. Being hysterical and hyperbolic about it doesn't help.

Has your engine blown?

Did I look? No. I bought a V8.

 

Yup .. and you bought one right …
Insane for a turbo vehicle you say? IMO - Its one thing to have a motor like that in a sports car that gets pampered with maintenance. But how about a vehicle that is being asked to do truck duty all the time? The 3.4L block may have been around for a while but not with those turbos. They engine block/turbos use the same oil and when doing an oil change, alot more "dirty" oil gets left in the motor and turbo plumbing now because …..it just doesn’t drain out. Check the difference between the dry fill and oil change capacities. You want to know how good your service dept is - ask them. See if they have to look it up. The amount left in is a lot higher % than for example the previous 5.7 liter. Just saying. That does not bode “as well” for long term reliability and durability. Again just saying. I would be interested to know how much dirty oil the 3.5 Ford leaves in there. Dry vs Oil Change time.

And correct me if wrong... but my understanding is that the Lexus GX motors same block different smaller duty turbos, are made in the Tahara Japan plant and are also recalled.. Car Care Nut guy who owns a 3rd Gen, confirmed "I believe" that there were 3.4L part number changes in one of his videos earlier this year. So sticking with design issue.

Fwiw
I was speaking with the Service Manager of the dealership that has serviced both my Toyotas in the past recently. It was about doing a brake flush. I casually asked what the warranty will be on these long blocks. He said they had long blocks scheduled. He could not answer the warranty question. Seriously. I also contacted Carfax. They were not able to tell me if any of these vehicles with replaced engines will have a different “status” because I could not supply a VIN for one. If someone is looking at buying one of these vehicles I would be confirming that first – if its status changes it affects resale.

 

That is one long story, I believe the Hybrid might work better in that it augments the ICE portion of the motor thus wear and tear is not as bad.

 

Wouldn't be so sure about that. I think in some conditions where there's frequent EV only mode the engine oil isn't getting Up to proper operating temp where it can properly circulate and bathe everything it needs to bathe the way it does when an ICE motor is spinning constantly.

It's like the issues you run into
When an ICE vehicle spends most of its doing short trip non highway driving, but worse. The engine is starting and running for a minute and turning back off multiple times in the drive.

My Powerboost has a 10k interval because the motor runs less than a conventional powertrain but I absolutely do not trust it for a second and stick to 5.

 

I stick to five as well, I am more concerned about getting the permanent fuel line repair recall done and having them fix the damage that their oil change kid caused when he removed the battery cover and, in the process, broke about every clip on the left-hand side of the panel. I have a 150k mile 10-year extended warranty if any of that type of stuff happens. I have had 2 years of trouble-free ownership with the exception of the recall.

 

This thread is both entertaining and informative. I love coming here every few weeks to catch up.

Opinions are like a$$holes, and I’ve got one too. My last two trucks have been a Ram and a Ford. Everyone knows somebody’s cousin whose truck was garbage, but personally, I’ve had zero complaints about either. Frankly, my Ram was the nicest truck I’ve had, and only traded it in because it was so nice, it was borderline boring. It felt like a truck I should get after retirement. Got the Raptor just to have a fun truck for a couple of years. I’m not sure what my next one will be. If I had to buy a new truck tomorrow, I’d be torn between a new Raptor or a Ram RHO. But, like everything else, everyone’s experience is different. Regarding the RHO, I’m curious how the Hurricane HO engine does. RHOs are hitting the ground, so I frequent their forum as well. But, it has my attention as it seems it will be nicer on the inside than my Raptor, and equally (or more) fun.

I will say, all the Toyota loyalists that feel Tundra will have the best resale value down the road…not sure that is the case anymore. Historically, that was a factual statement, but time will tell if that trend continues with the Gen 3 Tundra. Maybe eventually, but not right now with the issues/reputation of the first few years of this truck. I do believe Toyota is making it right, and eventually they could outlive this temporary slide.

 

@louscrw
I didn’t know the RHO was a thing. Looks pretty sweet. In the world we live in of six figure trucks that RHO seems like a lot of truck for money. This is coming from a guy that drives a 20 year old tundra, so I’m clearly not going to buy one nor am I the target audience. But looks sweet.

 

Get raptorR

It blows the door off the trx and the new rho, and tbh when your blowing 100k what's another 20k at 120

 

Isn't it so much fun blowing others money - 8^) ...

Yeah - Isn't there always a Con when u think of a Pro.
Electric motor helps load with the smaller engine. yes, But we know the most engine wear is at start up.
So every time your Internal Combuston Engine stops and restarts whether due to an electric motor kicking in, or it has Auto stop-start, it is not a good thing. And with big motor and cylinder deactivation - those pistons not working are at a different temp when restarted. They ending up wearing differently than those always in duty. This is not a good thing either.

All these truck body on frame manufacturers in trying to appease (CAFE) for better mileage and the EPA for less particles in the air-emissions..... made things alot more complicated with more parts (coming from where ?) Ask the guys in the Parts dept what the labels say. Will never be as reliable long term?

Have you noticed this thread has a real hate for RAM. Even though it is the most reliable according to CR. best interior and ride (if that is what u r looking for - not that there is anything wrong with that ....I mean it is supposed to be a truck right? maybe not.
Some Toyota fanboys here seem to be having a problem coming to grips with the reality that making stuff more complicated and with more parts means it will be less reliable/durable that previous versions.
Ford guys from conversations direct and online that I read - have accepted this; and in fact the Ford 3.5 engine - best comparison with Toyota. Is most proven and has been around a long time doing truck duty.

 

I deleted the auto start/stop from my build for that reason. No need for additional wear and tear to save a few ounces of gas a month.

 

That would be the day...

 

I want to like Ram, but never seriously considered them in part because of their dated engine that didn't really excel in power or efficiency. With the new inline six, it'd be interesting to look next time around. The pricing is fantastic - just built a Big Horn and a Laramie and both sticker for around $10k less compared to a similarly optioned F-150.

 

That is because the Ram for the most part is made in Mexico. I put zero faith in CR and do not buy products based upon their reviews. They are a pay to play review cycle company who will rate anything high as long as they get AD dollars and revenue from it.

 

Maybe if they do away with this...

"and a high-flow ball-valve thermostat work in tandem to manage temperatures effectively. These systems enhance performance and contribute to the engines’ durability and efficiency."

which is made out of plastic and fails in the closed position.
I too was intrigued with their new inline 6 but then they go and pull the above which means a definite pass. I like Mazda's take on the inline 6 better and am considering swapping out the wife's Telluride for a CX-90.

 

As are most of the GMs and the new Tacos.

 

When did Mexico take over Michigan ?

 

I think he means manufactured, not assembled. For example, the engine in my F150 is made in canada.

 

Ahh I see

 

My Dino Tundra and 4Runner doesn't have it. lol
My wifes latest generation Outback has it on a Screen that has 95% of functions on it. Its like a video game. You used to have to touch two menus before getting to the screen where you could then select Auto Start/Stop and then turn it off. 4 steps in total. And it was only for that trip. You needed to repeat this on the next trip. A real pain.
I'm sure alot of people complained.
Then one day when I turned it on, I see this big "A" on the main screen - fixed. There was a software update.
So the computer says in the total time she has owned it - 40k kilometers - she has saved 8 Liters. About 2 gallons.
$12.....(canadian)

Pass the Tequila.

 

Not to stir the pot too much, but that’s another advantage for the Ford, you can order a truck exactly how you want it, I’ve got every option that I wanted and didn’t pay for any option that I didn’t. With a tundra you pretty much have to just buy it off the lot right?

 

When you say you "deleted" it what do you mean? I usually turn mine off as I live in the sticks so it shutting off for the 2 second stop where a road with no traffic meets another road with no traffic is pretty silly.

 

When I ordered it I had them remove the functionality and button. Just an empty space there now.

 

Ooooooh. I see. I bought off the lot so I didn't get to pick and choose. C'est la vie.