Tundra engine recall lawsuit filed

Just sharing this news I found this morning on a class action lawsuit being filed in Vermont over the Tundra engine recall mess. What I found interesting about this one is they are essentially demanding Toyota explain why the hybrids are not involved and how some 2024 (and a 2025) model have seen engine failure.

This is the early days for a lawsuit like this FYI. It seems to me once a judge certifies the lawsuit and a law firm gets involved, then people can join the lawsuit. For now, it is just three plaintiffs.

https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2024/12/toyota-tundra-engine-recall-lawsuit-has-been-filed/

 

Thanks for posting. And I'll add this....

 

In 10 years the lawyers will have millions and everyone will get a check for $8.62

woohoo

 

Thanks for sharing Tim. I could never understand why Toyota excluded the Hybrids. Sure its possible with having the Hybrid to get out of the way in case of engine failure but its still an engine failure non the less. Why would they take on that additional risk and alienate those Hybrid buyers?

 

Wow, you're an optimist.
I'll say a fiver and free car wash at the dealership.

 

because this was a safety recall and the hybrid negates the safety issue since you still have motive power during a failure and can get to the side of the road

not defending Toyota just stating the reason.

this wasn’t a recall to fix all kinds of engines that haven’t failed yet to help owners, it was voluntarily submitted by Toyota as a safety remedy

I’m no lawyer here but not sure what the damages are since they are fixing the ones that break

 

The lawsuit is dumb. Toyota has already addressed all of the questions being asked. I would probably feel the same way if I was a hybrid owner though. Although I suspect if you’re a hybrid owner and your engine fails, Toyota will take care of you also.

 

I think Toyota is doing the right thing, it's just agonizingly slow.
To save themselves many issues, they should extend warranties on all these trucks. THEN, you'll have people screaming why their truck isn't part of extended warranty. It's a mess for sure.
I could care less, I'm happily driving my truck with no worries.

 

I am fully aware of that. I think having a Hybrid does not fully negate the safety risk. The only way to know for sure would be to see the Risk Assessment that was prepared by the Toyota RAMS Engineers to come to such a conclusion. I guess with this lawsuit that information may come to light.

 

Interesting little tidbit I just learned. Toyota lists the V35 motor long block replacements as weighing 640lbs . For reference, a 3UR 5.7 weighs in at 489 lbs.

 

My bet would be the V35 is "fully dressed" weight (all accessories, turbos, etc. as they're being delivered to dealers as replacements) and the 3UR is a "bare" long block weight.
Just a theory.

 

The 3UR weight is listed as "service weight". Not sure what all it includes, but it isn't just the block. Assuming that is long block configuration with no accessories. Not sure what accessories will come on the recall V35 replacement blocks. The 3UR needs no turbos or plumbing, so some weight savings there.

 

I was under the impression they were plug and play complete, no assembly required.

 

All those torks add up.

 

A replacement engine will rarely come with an alternator, or AC compressor etc. This one likely will not either.

 

you are correct, that stuff has to be swapped over...been confirmed by Ryan, so we know its scripture

@sudobash might be able to confirm as well

 

So if you join the lawsuit the lawyers get some of your money. What if you have a hybrid and don't join the lawsuit? In any case are they not going to replace the hybrid engine? Is there going to be a mileage limitation?

 

It has been said that we learn from our mistakes. As for me, I'm still working on this one, but back to the topic.
Hopefully when this chapter in Toyota's life comes to an end they will be more diligent in making sure they have a solid product before releasing it on the public. I'm sure mentioning 3rd generation Tundra around the engineers of Toyota brings a small frown and maybe a little pain to their face and while not pleasant hopefully will stick in their mindset the next time they sit at their drawing board and instead of thinking what will go right they ask themselves what could go wrong.
As for current crew of the USS 3rd gen Tundra were all just hoping not to be the one bitten by the engine shark.

 

FIFY

 

Honestly, I would love to see something done in terms of extending the warranty. In 2023 I buy a 2023 TRD PRO, And all the recall stuff starts happening. I am thinking about selling it, especially before the tiny warranty is up....But you turn around to sell it, and man is the resale terrible on these trucks now. I am in Ontario Canada and I see 21's(with more miles and lower trims) going for more than alot of the 22/23's this is a loss for Toyota and its customers. I have been looking at every other truck maker in the mean time. Not sure what I am going to do honestly. I still have an 08 5.7 that I love dearly.

 

2024 will be remembered as "anno horribilis" in Toyota's annals. A billion dollar recall (Tundra engine), a billion dollar class action lawsuit (Tacoma transmission), a 100s of million recall / stop sale of their most in-demand SUV (Grand Highlander), and now this.
The NA President of Quality just "retired" few weeks ago, but most likely he was fired for this impressive array of major f***-ups.

 

You know while it doesn't solve the current issue. The idea of Toyota doing a blanket extended warranty on this problem would be a step in the right direction. They could say your vehicle is not affected to which one could reply "Then you having nothing to worry about".

 

Typically with class actions lawsuits, if they win, you get a small check whether you join or not.

For the other questions, there’s no update for hybrid owners unfortunately. Toyota engineers, due to legal reasons, are pretty tight lipped about everything related to the recall. I know. I’ve asked a few different ways.

 

I hadn’t caught the news on the retirement. Do you have a name or link? Thanks in advance.

 

I got more from Facebook lawsuit than I’ll get from Toyota lol

 

Chiming in here just for clarity.

when joining a class action lawsuit you pay no money to lawyers and hope they win the case against Toyota which will be a net total and spread out amongst the owners of vehicles years and models? Are 3rd gen owners wanting money in return or a truck that doesn't bomb?

When I had a wrx and joined their class action lawsuit my engine threw a rod and the motor was toast. Subaru rebuilt that motor and covered the cost. Nothing out of pocket for me in the end. Hiwever? I did have to pay for my rebuild when the motor blew and was refunded the cost when the suit was settled.

 

@testerdahl https://www.autonews.com/toyota/an-toyota-quality-rice-retire/

 

While you may not be defending them, it is well known that there isn't any motive power once the engine goes. This has been confirmed by multiple Hybrid owners with engine failures.

 

ok, thanks for the clarification, guess we'll see where this goes, but I think we both know.

lawyers = $$

owners = jackshit