Mobil1 0W-20 ESP X2

Does anyone have any used oil analysis data from this oil, or has anyone tried it out before? I accidentally bought this at the local Walmart instead of the usual Mobil1 0W-20 Advanced Fuel Economy. I realized my mistake after I had drained the crank case so not wanting to get a ride to the local store to pick up the normal oil, and figuring any 0W-20 will be fine if it’s only used for 5,000 miles, I just decided to send it. I’ve been running it now for 5,000 miles now and I can say without question that the valve train is definitely quieter, especially on start up. I tried digging into this oil a bit but to sum it up, all I can really find is that it’s a blend specially formulated to meet European requirements and diesels. Not a lot of info for people running it in Toyotas. During my research I’ve also learned that the Mobil1 Extended Performance is probably a better option over the Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy that I ran for the first 25,000 miles as it uses a better base oil and additive package. I picked up two 5 quart jugs of the Extended Performance today to try next. I plan to grab a sample of the ESP X2 and the Extended Performance (after 5,000 miles of course) to send in for an analysis and compare. I was just curious what others had experienced. Thanks!

 

No experience here, I’ve only been running pennzoil platinum 0w20.. last oil analysis said i could try 7500 oci, motor had 46k on it and been using pennzoil since new..that was on the 17 sequoia..

 

If you think that’s quiet, try 5w30

 

It calls for 0W-20 so I’ll be sticking with that

 

Check your manual. Toyota says you can run 5w30. 0w20 is purely for appeasing epa with mpg ratings. Ive been running 5w30 for 60k miles now. Most tundra owners do.

 

It’s funny how a few random guys on the internet always think they know better than teams of engineers at Toyota…

 

“Best choice for fuel economy and cold weather starting”. Unless you’re in sub zero temps, your engine has significantly more protection with 5w30. But read it however you want. Myself and all the others with hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles must be wrong lol

 

Making blanket statements without knowing the application, context, or climate is absurd. If the owners manual doesn't align with your claims, that doesn’t magically make it open to interpretation lol! It says nothing about 5W-30 and given that most engine wear happens during cold starts, I’ll stick with what the thousands of engineers at Toyota recommend… given they designed and built it.

 

The US owners manual is the only publication that shows 0w-20 and it is purely for CAFE regulations for the EPA. Every tundra sold outside of the US calls for 5w-30. So, those same engineers also call for 5w-30. Here’s the TIS file all of your Toyota service shops are seeing.

 

You really had to reach to try and back up your claim once you found out the owners manual didn’t say what you claimed. The owners manual and the application dictate what oil should be used over the Mexican owners manual, Mexico is a vastly different climate than where I live.

 

Fellas, it’s pointless to argue over oil. Run what you want to run and call it a day.

 

Mine is very quiet now since I switched to amsoil, running 0-20 still but made a huge difference

 

All the Kewl Kids run 5W-30 full synthetic.

Pick your clique.

 

Agreed. Interactions like that is the main reason I post so infrequently on here. I was just looking for data on used oil analysis data but instead I got arrogant know it alls trying to shove their baseless opinion down my throat.

 

Lol. “Know it all”. Man, you really need to self evaluate if you’re getting all bent out of shape over people who don’t happen to agree with you on the internet.

 

Yes, “know it all”. You have no data to back up your claims yet you preach it like your the authority on the topic.

I’m fine with disagreements if it’s a difference of opinion, everyone has their own opinions. But arrogant baseless claims aren’t opinion.

 

you're. Contraction of: you are.

Used in a sentence 1: You have no data to back up your claims yet you preach it like you're the authority on the topic.

Used in a sentence 2. Be careful whippersnapper. You're about over your skis.

 

It’s not baseless. Every 5.7l Toyota motor outside of the US calls for heavier weight oil. 0w-20 is literally only used for “fuel economy” ratings that the US requires auto makers to abide by. Like others have said. Run whatever oil you want. Your idea that the “thousands of Toyota engineers” said you have to run 0w-20 in your 5.7l v8 is baseless.

 

Unless you have testing data from multiple engines run side by side that shows 5W-30 provides less wear, then yes, it’s baseless, it’s simply speculation.

 

I didn’t ask for your opinion on 5W-30, I asked for an oil sample on a particular type of oil… so why are you here?

 

A new or used oil analysis for Mobil 1 ESP X2 0W-20 really won't tell you much.

However, it has several approvals that the standard Mobil 1 0W-20 and Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0W-20 do not have. These are ACEA C6, VW 508.00/509.00, Porsche C20, and Mercedes-Benz 229.71. These approvals are likely above and beyond what a regular API SP / ISLAC GF-6A oil could pass.

Now the better question is, does it matter in the context of less wear and greater longevity for your Toyota engine? I don't know and can't say, but its likely a certainty that the ESP X2 0W-20 is a top-line lubricant and will work fine in your 5.7.

 

Thanks for the productive response!
I noticed the different adherences to different standards in my research and I’m really to curious as to which of these standards would be considered the most stringent. I’m still interested to see the comparison of additive packages between these two oils.

That’s what I figured once I realized my mistake and why I decided to try it out vs returning it. Although the differences in all the major brands will likely be next to nothing in the grand scheme of things, this rabbit hole of used oil analyses has me wanting to try out all different brands in a pursuit for the lowest wear and best performance.

 

@Redline870 unfortunately even though your intentions are good by following the manual you are wrong. The same exact Tundra with the same exact engine in Mexico allows for a whole assortment of oils. The 0w20 is solely used to meet CAFE standard to marginally increase MPG. ProjectFarm has done a test showing that 5w30 will protect your engine better. Unless you live in extremely cold climate 0w20 provides no benefits. Here's the video, and a clearer screen shot of Toyotas oil recommendations from the TIS system, notice the difference between the USA and Mexico.
Also attach is a virgin oil analysis of Mobil 1 ESP x2 0w20 courtesy of https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mobil-1-esp-x2-0w20-voa.334027/
Judging from the comments on that thread, it is a good oil and the viscosity is close to a 30 which is probably why you noticed the engine being quieter. As the oil shears you will notice the engine noise get louder. When I run 5w30, by 4000 miles it starts to sound like a 0w20 and that's how I know its getting close to time to change it, however when I run a 15w40 it will stay quiet until I get to 5000 which my change interval. If I lived in a warm climate all year I'd have no problem running 15w40 all year long but since I dont its easier to just buy one oil so I pretty much just run 5w30 now.
https://youtu.be/xtSwaF2evTU

 

These oil threads always head for a cliff when the first post says one color bottle of M1 0w-20 makes that 5.7 way quieter than another color bottle M1 0w-20.

 

Thanks for the link to the oil analysis.

I live in a moderately cold winter climate but I spend about half the winter in North Dakota, one of the coldest climates in North America, regularly seeing ambient temps below -20F. I personally experienced -35F last year with a wind chill around -65F. That’s why cold start lubrication is a much more important issue for me personally, and why I was getting so irritated by blanket statements without knowing the context or application. Application dictates what should be used, not dogma.

 

Yeah it's definitely about application when it comes to oil viscosity, manufacturers used to include an image like the one below in the owners manuals before 0w20 became basically mandatory in the USA. It allowed owners to choose their oil based on their climate. Its clear what's going on with CAFE standards in the USA when you see blanket requirements for 0w20 when you log onto Toyotas TIS system and see Mexico can run many different oils in the same engine. For what its worth I actually have subscribed to TIS to download service documents and that's when I seen all the different oils allowed in Tundras sold in Mexico. Its important to note also that the same 5.7 engine in the Land Cruiser sold world wide has pretty much the same oils allowed to be used, all the way up to 20w50 which makes sense if you are running a Land Cruiser through the desert where cold start protection means nothing to you. I've also never seen a snowblower call for anything lower than 5w30 which obviously is not apples to apples but its an engine solely used in cold weather. If you are in -35°f I can completely understand using a 0w oil, lets remember that the W stands for winter and the lower the winter the number the better the cold start performance. Mobil 1 claims that their 5w30 oil is good to -30°f to -40°f depending on where you look. ProjectFarm uses a -40°f freezer in his test. In a climate like that a block heater should really be used for the best protection. Once warmed up though the thicker oils will definitely provide better projection but as we know the cold start is where the most wear is caused so you need to choose something in the middle. Personally I live in New England and we do see negative temps but never really in the double digits so for me 5w30 is fine. Remember wind chill is only felt by us though and has 0 effect oil.

 

This bickering is pointless.

The true measure of ultimate lubricity/longevity is directly proportional to the number of signatures on the container.

No signatures? Might as well be grit in brown water.

 

Kirkland's sliding in with the data.
<if you look close, the 5w30 protects better.>

However - run what makes you sleep better.

a true measure of a man is the quality of sleep he gets.

sidebar....my miles are s/c'd.

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https://www.tundras.com/threads/switching-to-5w30.64203/page-21#post-3550274

 

0W-20 is a fine choice for those winters. Thats cold.

Understand that project farm “tests” make for good videos and lots of money in his pocket, but often those tests don’t correlate with the actual engine tests and requirements for engine and gear lubricants.

 

Erryone should do what the car care legume tells you.