Tundras live: Dumb Dad Jokes, Incorrect Opinions, and Relationship Advice.

So, just another perspective on this...

The question isn't whether or not the weapon is safe or what the 'spirit' of the rule is, what it really comes down to is 'dumbing it down for the 'slowest/least compliant' in the room and putting the range (firing line) in a conditioning that can be readily and quickly assessed for being in a 'cold range' state allowing folks to move forward of the firing line safely.

Is a fully clear weapon, lying flat on the bench/ground or perched on it's bi-pod, w/bolt removed or action open, no ammunition in the chamber/magazine removed, etc. etc. a safe weapon??? Yes it is... However, under those circumstances, we have to make sure that all weapons have been physically and visually cleared and also double-checked by the shooter next to you or the RO; this includes action, mag well, breach and as far into the chamber/barrel that one can see... This step is generally missing in the equation on most ranges. Also, what about malfunctions (especially squib rounds) that are not identified by the shooter prior to or as the range goes cold...


These types of situations can be extremely dangerous, and they are often unidentified by a novice shooter.

So, with that being said, the safest way to ensure a 'safe' cold range is to remove all weapons from the firing line and they are either racked, cased or holstered and hands off of guns. We allow magazine manipulation during cold range (loading of the magazine), but not ANY handling of the firearm itself... Even to clean, disassemble, etc... The reason for this is simple... SIMPLICITY!!!!

If any club member is forward of the firing line and looks back during a cold range, he/she should see NO weapon manipulation; if someone parallel to the firing line or rear of the firing line looks around, same thing, they should see NO weapon manipulation AT ALL; if someone has a weapon in hand then it's a problem, and ultimately a violation of the rules... PERIOD!!!

Is this the SAFEST way to operate a range or is this the ONLY way to make a safe weapon?? Absolutely, not!!! However, it keeps things simple for everyone...

Personally, I have zero issue w/someone walking forward of the firing line (during a cold range) w/a loaded and holstered weapon; just keep your hand off of it. I have no issue personally w/someone walking forward of the firing line (during a cold range) w/a slung rifle; but again keep your hand off the weapon...

To answer the cleaning question, please see above.... NO manipulation of weapons during a cold range, so this means no cleaning; not my rules, but they are the range rules and therefore they should be abided by regardless of one's personal beliefs or comfort levels.

I think @nobodyintexas 's delivery of his statement wasn't targeted toward the person's methodology of safety, but rather the person's disrespect for the facility, the rules that are in place, and others that are present.

Similarly, we could argue that most roadways, streets, highways, etc. post a speed limit that is 'reasonable' for 99% of the driving population. I may have training, experience and a vehicle capable of operating safely beyond those limits, but that doesn't make it right for me to snub my nose to the rules/laws and just say, 'Fuck it... I'm going to do what I want'.... I may choose to do that, but if someone calls me on it, then I'm in the wrong; similarly if someone violates the rules of a particular range, and they are questioned about it or called on their behavior, then they are simply in the wrong and should correct their behavior immediately.... and it probably wouldn't hurt to just say, 'Crap, my bad!!! Thank you for pointing that out' as they fix their situation or behavior.

just my .02 cents

 

So, unfortunately, if someone is forward of the firing line 50 yards out and beyond (and even as close as 25 yards depending on the time of day, angle, etc..) I would argue that person would probably NOT be able to identify that a weapon someone is manipulating is w/o its barrel or bolt. However, what is identifiable from those distances and quite a bit beyond is someone's handling/manipulating of a firearm or exhibiting behavior that is consistent w/manipulating a firearm.

 

Fake news!!!

 

Not all ranges have RSOs on duty at all times...

Our 'range' is a 501c7 Gun Club it is not a 'for profit' business; we have 450-520 paid members each year, plus their guests and a few events here and there. 95%-98% of the time there is no RSO on duty. The 'members' are expected to follow the rules in place, police themselves and each other within reason. We have multiple ranges (archery range, 25-yard pistol range, 50-yard combo range, 500 meter rifle range); there's no way the 'club' could afford to pay for 3 or 4 full time RSOs to staff the range(s) during times the ranges are open to shoot.

We've had these discussions to improve safety and mitigate some of the violations and unfortunately, unless we restrict hours/days of operation to such a small window, there would be no way to afford RSOs w/o upping membership fees to 3x or 4x current prices. So, the next best thing is to hope people police themselves, have enough respect for their fellow 'club member' to follow the rules (which at times may be more intrusive than standard reasonable safety procedures), and when they are challenged by another member for a violation handle it immediately and w/respect for the other person.

The argument about having RSOs on a volunteer basis, so the range is not paying them, doesn't hold either because insurance costs and liability issues are so high these days when it comes to firearms and firearms training. It would be unfair and down right irresponsible for an individual to take on that responsibility w/o an LLC or some other umbrella seperating his business from personal finanaces, proper certification as a RSO and a very steep insurance policy to cover not only himself but the club in the event of something unfortunate happening.

 

Elon would never allow his garage mural to come down or be covered up w/Milwaukee paraphernalia

 

an item I've been pondering.

Door Dash type service.

We eat at Torchy's tacos somewhat regularly. I'll use this place as my subject matter.

we usually sit next to the wall. <yes, my back is to the wall>

from this point of view we can see the Door Dash shelf thing.

for those that use this service, do you even care about who it is bringing you your food?

because we see some of the grungy-est folks picking up food.

what happened to the sanctity of food safety?

do you simply marginalize the service itself to simple delivery?
because it ain't....it's nasty.


the saddest part is when we see old folks picking up food. That's sad. A true measure of this economy.

 

No. <I realize (hope) you are being funny>


good conversation comes in many forms.

some is funny as hell

some is heavy

some is controversial

some is educational


but it is all worthy.


except the Dad jokes.....

 

I feel attacked.

 

In other news. Leg day. Deep squats. Calf raises. Dead lifts. Lunges. Etc…

Does anyone else switch their overhand/underhand grip halfway through each set?

 

I'm overhand until my grip fails.

then....
yes...
I will use straps.



Today is heavy bench day. Floor press using chains. DB press. Lat work. Abs.

exciting stuff for me because my son's new schedule is fitting in.

 

In other other news, last night was surreal. I live in a neighborhood that lots of randos like to descend upon to trick-or-treat. They pile out of the car, adults too, and grab way too much candy at the houses where people set a bowl out with instructions to take 1 or 2 each. They’re often not even dressed up and are often very vulgar even with littles around. So we chose to not participate this year.

Instead, we took our kids to another family’s house. Well outside of the city. Their little neighborhood was absolutely covered in families. No one being greedy. Everyone was polite and dressed up. A couple families were handing out flashing LED necklaces and such (kids were still at it well after sunset). No adults sticking their hands in people’s candy bowls. No one acting like unsocialized hooligans. I didn’t even know where my kids were for two hours, and I was fine with it. Felt like when I was a kid. All the parents hung out at one house with potluck chili and soup and wine.

I want to protect that little enclave of wholesomeness at all costs. Feels like a matter of time before the word gets out and it gets overrun, too. The fact that it is the exception rather than the norm is depressing. This is the last holiday that is centered around actually interacting with your neighbors, and it is being ruined by our descent into a zero-trust society.

 

Hope you're not like my new neighborhood who blows his leaves into the street between our houses so passing cars can blow them onto my lawn.

 

You had it all going so good, right until the last line.


I'd say the range one wound up being educational for me. Not being super well travelled I just figured ranges worked the same everywhere, and apparently that's just not the case. They don't have and RO all the time, they don't necessarily have the same rules, etc. Very eye opening. I also appreciate the grace you exercised with my response.


I'd go to the range with you any time.... and I'd even put my pew in the rack for ya!

 

His eye twitches if his neighbor has a blade of grass crossing the edge of the driveway. I promise you he's not leaving leaves in the road.

 

I'm actually surprised you fit in a Tacoma.

 

aww man...that's me.

I use the Hakuna Matata method....circle of life stuff.

If I blow into the street, the leaves get "circulated" back into it's original economy.
most go down the drain, which in our case, feeds straight to the creek. Ta_Da!

 

That's a beautiful piece. Is that pad original or something you added? How's the recoil? I've never shot a 45-70, but I've not had much use for one as I've also never seen a T-Rex roaming in the wild.

 

The house next door has renters and two 60' tall red oaks. I have a live oak, and it drops its heavy little leaves straight down. The red oaks drop their leaves wherever the wind blows - - mostly in my yard. Plus, being renters, they don't keep up with yard work at all, so everything that does happen to land in their yard blows over anyway. Plus they're paying zero attention to their big dallisgrass problem, and it's taking over my yard no matter what I do.


I'm ready to move out of suburbia.

 

We'd like to move to an acreage but I'm thinking to wait until the kids are old enough to drive themselves around.

 

Don't wait. Growing up out in the sticks and the dirt is way better than growing up in the picket fence mess of suburbia. Wild animals are actually safer than people.

 

TWSWHF

 

I WILL NOT use a service like this for these very reasons... It is my understanding that it's not uncommon for some (not all) of these drivers to open your food containers, take a piece/slice/sliver or two out for their own consumption; which means they are finger f'%^&'n my food, shedding skin rafts, dirt and everything else into my food trays and just downright not safe

what happened to the sanctity of food safety?

I'm pretty sure that went right out the window w/HIPPA a few years ago...

 

sorry... That's What She Was Hoping For

 

Holy Crap... we are getting pelted right now

Heavy, heavy rain and wind gusts up to 60mph....

 

Karma for showing off all the nice temps that you usually have. Stay safe and warm.

 

It's still mid-50s

Wet clothes do suck though, and I hate rain gear... it's so sticky, non-breathing and it makes weird noise

 

Bust out the baby powder and slip into your latex bedroom attire. Just don't let the doggos go for the ball gag. Might be awkward.

 

Although baby powder does help prevent chaffing