Tundras live: Dumb Dad Jokes, Incorrect Opinions, and Relationship Advice.

The voice of experience. It's okay. Your dogs will still love you, even if you're giving your STDs nicknames like "the herp."

 

I have a kitted out ruger 10-22. I love it.

my son has a Savage bolt action 22. it is outrageously accurate.

I prefer the ruger semi-auto. easy to clean.


shop here.....this will be my next .22 for a suppressor.

https://volquartsen.com/departments/22_lr_rifles/families/deluxe

 

I’ve got a Ruger silent sr/isb barrel for my takedown. Quieter than a Red Ryder BB gun. After 1st shot, you look up and wonder if it shot. Soooooo fun. Only drawback of silenced barrel is no iron sights on it.

 

5,000 round case of .22

$309.50

https://www.sgammo.com/product/22-l...round-nose-1255-fps-winchester-target-ammo-us

$750 for "Stangers".

https://www.sgammo.com/product/22-l...er-32-grain-1640-fps-hyper-velocity-ammo-0050

I usually buy all my ammo from these guys.

 

I'll 2nd this.

I will gladly go out & shoot 200 rounds of .22.

it teaches the brain about bullet drop & scope settings.


Shooting my .308 or 5.56 for that many rounds is OK, because they are suppressed.

It's the other guys at nearby stands using muzzle brakes that piss me off.

 

now I'm lathered up over bench shooting...

here goes:

there was this guy 2 stalls down shooting a "heavy barrel" 6.5 Creedmoor.

his rifle stand was holding the rifle for him...to aim, he was adjusting a bunch of gadgets. That ain't shooting.

THEN...when the range went cold...he left the rifle in the stand. Rules say to put the gun on the rack.

well...Mr. Special said his bolt was removed.

that's not the rules - I retorted.

I politely asked him to put the rifle on the rack, as I don't need any rifle pointing at me, when I'm downrange, no matter what condition it was in. (yes, I was standing there with my arms crossed)

he did as asked.

FTR - we were on the 300yd steel gong line. and I was hitting everything he was. and I have a $700 Remington 700

in short....don't be that guy.


I'll save my suppressor story for when things get dull around here....

 

Let me preface what follows with this: I don't have any hard feelings. I'm giving my gut reaction to what was presented, and there may be mitigating factors that I am not aware of that would change my opinion. However, all I have to go on is what was posted here. Keep in mind, true friends stab you in the front.

They have just as much a right to shoot their pews as anybody else. If you don't like loud noises, firearms may not be the right hobby for you.

Yes, it is. You not understanding the purpose or not liking it doesn't detract from the fact that it's his money spent on his rifle. It has a purpose. Having it locked down is also the best way to get a dead on zero so that when you shoot without it being locked down you know for a fact that any variance is on you and not the rifle. There's nothing wrong with what he was doing here.

You say you were polite and you call HIM "Mr. Special"? This really comes off as borderline karen behavior. Pulling the bolt is perfectly acceptable in this scenario. Are you yelling at people for muzzle sweeping you when they are cleaning a disassembled pistol, too? It sounds like you think you're better than him because you're " hitting everything he was" without any of the expensive kit and you went into it with a personal beef to "teach" him something. The only thing he learned is that you're unpleasant at the range, and he legitimately could have asked the RO to come over and make a judgement call on the rifle being safe, but he opted to keep the peace and give you what you wanted.

In short....do be that guy and do what you can to keep the peace rather than getting into a huff with your arms folded over the technicality of a rule when the spirit of the rule was being followed.

I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but I gotta call BS when I see it if I think somebody has the sense and character to listen to it and maybe at least consider the critique. I am hoping you have an open mind and can step outside the moment to look at it objectively and see that perhaps you were overreacting and being pushy.

Again, this is all just based on what was posted and there could readily be other/more info that justifies your behavior, but based on what was given here... you weren't doing anyone any favors, and certainly not the shooting community.

 

Whatever you get make sure it has a threaded barrel for a suppressor in case you decide to get a .22lr suppressor down the road. Standard threading for .22lr suppressors are 1/2x28. .22lr are fun to shoot but suppressing .22lr makes them that much more fun for a relatively low cost.

 

Hey mods, can we move this thread to Reddit?

r/youknowhatgrindsmygears

 

Nice opinion.

however, the rules are stated clearly.

and I don't like guns pointed at me. (hence the rules.)

EVERY other shooter obeys the rules. (hence Mr. Special)

Me asking folks to obey the rules is how I assist folks(and myself) to live in a civilized society. Especially when it involves MY safety.


I'm not very Kareny....however, it sounds like you may be.

 

I thought thread was for posting pictures to post in another thread? No?

 

I have two 10/22s (a charger pistol and a rifle) and a CZ 457 bolt action. I love them all. You can't go wrong either way.

For accuracy the bolt action will beat the 10/22 all day. If you're going to be on a bench most of the time you're shooting, that might be the better solution. The 10/22's are more fun, and the charger is much more fun. The charger has a binary trigger and a can, and you can run through a lot of ammo really quickly.

Since everyone is giving advice, I'll add some advice. Get both.

 

Not trying to wade into the muzzle brake discussion too deeply here but I wanted to add a little. I have a SBR AR-15 with an 11.5 inch barrel. It has a muzzle brake on it but the muzzle brake is there to act as sacrificial baffles for the attached suppressor.

Unburned powder basically acts like a sandblaster and after enough time erodes baffles in suppressors if you don't put a brake on them to take the abuse. You can replace muzzle brakes on your own as needed but suppressor baffles are a much more difficult item to replace if at all depending on the suppressor design.

With the above being said, I fired my SBR unsuppressed out in open land and it was unpleasant to shoot. I typically only use it in conjunction with a suppressor. Shooting something in an enclosed space (enclosed outdoor shooting lane/indoor range) typically makes the sound even worse as sound gets amplified when it bounces back and forth from walls. I personally wouldn't use it unsuppressed at the range with the muzzle brake.

I also don't typically use my suppressors at public ranges. It kinda defeats the purpose of having a suppressor if everyone around you is shooting unsuppressed.

 

Here are some nice pics of Bison from a few years back.

 

My brother and I had air rifles when we were kids. We also had guinea pigs. Turns out guinea pig food pellets are the perfect 0.177 size to fit into our air guns. And they exploded on contact with skin, most of the time.

 

Like I said, it was just my gut reaction to the info provided. Not trying to cause offense.

Yes, the rule is the rule. That is correct. I wasn't disputing that. I was just saying that pulling the bolt maintains the spirit of the rule. I reiterate the question, are you bothered if a disassembled pistol is sitting on the table and the barrel with no magazine, no round in it, and no firing pin happens to be facing your direction? That rifle was in the same state.

I didn't say you are a karen. I was not attacking you. I simply disagree with your approach but I guess I should have said it came off as over zealous. Karen does tend to have an overly negative connotation, much to the dismay of the many nice women named Karen out there in the world. I was just saying it seemed like the same type of rules lawyer behavior that has HOAs turning nice neighborhoods into picket fenced hell holes. All is justified to live in a "civilized society," I guess. Rules/laws should always be open to moderation and a reasoned approach in their application, IMO.

 

I'm not a karen. I'm just an asshole.

 

I like following the kiss rule when it comes to most things. When it comes to guns, don't point it at anything you aren't willing to destroy, assume it is always loaded etc...

Is a rifle with the bolt removed perfectly safe? Yes. Is an unloaded weapon perfectly safe? Yes. Do clowns cause all kinds of havoc with guns they thought were safe and unloaded when in reality they were hot? Yes.

Keep it kiss and life is good. Act like a lawyer and be technically correct, well shit can happen.

 

I understand where you are coming from. It's not incorrect. I also see a very clear difference between disassembled and "unloaded" though. Somebody can think a rifle/pistol is unloaded and be mistaken. There is no mistaking a pistol with it's barrel removed or a rifle without it's bolt.

Let's put it in another scenario with a bit of hyperbole: Drunk driving is illegal. Should a LEO be able to ticket a drunk sitting in a truck that has the hood and engine visibly removed?


Can I get a simple yes/no for the question that you quoted, also? Say the guy were using a pistol. When the range went cold if it were disassembled and sitting on the table in pieces with a clearly open barrel with no firing pin in line with the barrel nor ammo in it, would it be complained about?

 

I hear what you are saying, I don't disagree on the technicalities. I'll answer your questions as requested below:

1. Drunk guy in a car chassis with no engine. No citation.

2. No complaints. However, when a line is cold, and people are downrange no one is supposed to touch their weapons on the line. The ranges I have used also not only want anyone not downrange to not touch their weapons when the line is cold but to also physically step back from the shooting line the entire time the range is cold.

The reality is that people are touchy about these rules because they are set to the lowest common denominator to keep everyone safe, ie the rules are set to keep the biggest dumbass out there in line with safety standards.

I have been out in public land shooting. People have rolled up setup their stuff, then proceed to crack open beers. What did I do? I packed my shit and left. I didn't even say anything as I'm not trying to reason with a idiot. Not trying to be a story on the local news cause some dumbass got drunk and negligently discharged their gun in my direction.

You also have complete noobs at the range who wouldn't know if an unloaded handgun with the slide racked back is unsafe or not and would shit their pants if it was pointed at them. The rules are there to help the completely clueless as much as anyone else.

I'm a very easy going guy generally speaking. When guns come out, I turn into mr. safety because it only takes 1 time for shit to go sideways and something happens that can't ever be undone. Intentional or not.

In case you can't tell, I love guns but I take safety very seriously.

 

@GODZILLA if the range rules state that when cold everything goes on the rack. Then that's what is expected of the shooters. Who cares if you remove the bolt, or completely dissemble the pistol? You're still acting as though the rules don't apply to you, so every other shooter there that is following the rules has every right to call you out on it.


Edit. I'll take it a step further. You are trying to get @nobodyintexas to understand that in the scenario he could've changed his tone or opinion, when you weren't even there to witness his actions. That's not being an asshole, that's a sign of arrogance that you think you have a better viewpoint than him. I'd tighten my lips on this one and just let it be if my arrogant assholeness came across this way.

 

@LarryDangerfield reading the Live thread this morning..

 

Just a healthy discussion here lads. No harm in that. It's not like this is one of those 3rd gen threads...

 

I think I'll hold off on telling my suppressor story.

at least until the storm passes......

 

Fair points and well articulated. I assumed all ranges had folks step behind the line when the range goes cold, thus my stance about the bolt removal being adequate. I usually shoot public land, and the only ranges I've ever been to do have you step back and leave the firearm on the bench with the chamber open. No touching. Guess I just didn't think about all ranges not having the separation rule, and thus making it be put in a rack seemed excessive.

 

Not once did I go the route of arrogance and say my viewpoint was better. I simply said what was presented seemed excessive or zealous to me, as a reader of the account on the internet. To the bold part; Stated this myself and openly stated that my position could be changed. To that end, see my response to AZBaldy a moment ago. He gave a bit of info/perspective I hadn't considered because I have never seen a range that didn't separate shooters from the firearms when the range was cold. Apologies for assuming this was standard practice and thinking that a rifle kept 3 feet away without its bolt in it was an okay thing. I guess my inexperience with ranges is showing because I generally shoot out on public land, and you're interpreting that as arrogance.

 

Let her fly. It's how we learn! I just learned something about how the ranges down in TX operate that I didn't even consider, and with that I would agree that you weren't out of line. Not making the shooter step away from the bench is completely foreign to me.

 

I personally like shooting on private property whenever I can. Less headaches overall and no worries of random folks showing up doing something dumb.

Even then, I have still had a friend who shot way to close to a steel target and got tagged by bullet fragments coming back at them. It's fun digging out pieces of a copper jacket out of the guys chin with a leatherman. The irony? We warned the guy to not shoot his AR that close to that specific target. Stuff happens.

 

The arrogance part came in play when you had no clue about rules, see above, and yet continued to use various other scenarios to support your opinion. I get it, you prefaced your view a lot before you let it fly. But if rules state xyz and xyz aren't followed then that alone is also a sign of arrogance for assuming that you did abc instead of xyz so it shouldn't be an issue.

edit. Now you didn't do any of these things because you weren't even there. But you were supporting them in theory and arguing over what the other guy did wasn't so bad and that @nobodyintexas could've approached it differently. In my humble opinion it's pretty arrogant to critique a guy in his approach to resolving what he felt was unsafe, and against the rules of the range, which he stated clearly. You used his whole rant and his opinion of the other guys setup as fuel to argue your point. And the only point made was that you like to argue. We get that. You don't have to use the phrase "better than" to come off as arrogant. It's the whole of the multiple messages sent. I think it was arrogant. And if you can send a critique over the internet you should be able to take one. You know, stab you in the front kind of scenario.