Tundra engine recall - interesting news

correct on timing chain, I had it. Mechanic said not worth bothering with unless noise bothered you that much.

 

great news!!

 

Watched the video.
Finally some Interesting news about the recall.
After only 1700+ posts….

 

Well, to be fair the video was just posted today…

 

Interesting that Toyota wants all the motor assemblies back that are running fine but doesn’t want the motors that spun a bearing back. Gotta assume they’ll be using certain parts again as part of the remanufacturing process. Reusing parts ought to save Toyota a lot of money although can’t say I’d be thrilled to have a remanufactured long block, especially not knowing what other parts they might have refurbished. Hopefully that info comes out soon.

 

Throwing shade at 5 million people and bought a 4 cylinder SUV instead. You sure showed them! LOLOL.

 

If you non Southerners think so little of the region please stop moving here.

We are full and 100% good with just taking all your factories, Fortune 100 HQs, jobs, and smart high school kids into our colleges

 

I concede that it hasn't caused known failures. The point still remains there are issues among all engines and piling on folks who are having them with their current truck or are concerned they may have an issue in the future doesn't help which was what I was attempting bring to light.

 

Anyone know if they are throwing warrantees with this?

 

I think it was less to do with the info that Ryan was sharing and more to do with him creating documents with Toyota logos all over them and making them look official when they were not.

 

thats not what happened

 

I drive a company provided 2020 Chevy Silverado with a 4 banger turbo. It is just a commuter car but the owner re-purposes them to the construction crew near 100,000 miles where it will be used as a truck. Over 60,000 miles and no issues. No engine failures that I am aware of either.

GM replaced the 4.3L NA six cylinders with these. My prior truck had that. The 4 banger has way more power and gets the same gas mileage that the v-6 did in the same driving. We will see if turbo 4 holds up with high mileage.

 

I don't think we gotta assume that, I think they don't want used parts with debris in them circulating.

we are both speculating, but we don't always have to be a glass half empty do we?

 

I don't know if that was a compliment or insult coming from you

 

From a financial perspective, what other reason would Toyota have for paying all that money to ship only the running motors back? Not glass half empty, just trying to connect those dots. They don’t want the seized up motors, only the ones that are running. The seized up motors certainly have debris and dealers get to keep/dispose of those.

 

I was thinking they would like to tear these motors down for investigation, no point tearing down one that's blown up. It was good to hear that the replacement motors will come with turbo's etc.

 

For the sake of argument even if the engines had a 50% failure rate. Do you see Toyota tearing down and investigating 50,000 engines? If there is no financial incentive for Toyota to ask for the engines back then it makes little sense to do it.

 

That’s possible for sure. But they’d pay to ship all of them? Not a random sample from a bunch of dealers if they’re tearing the motors down to study?

 

Its possible they would want to refurbish some of the parts that are still good such as the cranks, Pistons, and cams depending or wear and offer them as refurbished parts or similar.

 

Only the shadow knows.

 

For some people, it is not water in the glass always, so it doesn't really matter the level of it.

 

Im gonna have to find my way into a toyota dumpster. Would want to get my hands on one of these just to poke around

 

Times are definitely changing. But if technology keeps improving and at the same time reliability keeps up, I guess it’s all good.

 

I'm sure they've done enough investigation on early bad engines. There's no need to save any salvageable parts. Toyota machines ALL of their own internal parts, heads, cams, cranks, rods, blocks etc. They are done in house then built. There are crankshafts coming off the line a couple a minute. It's cheaper to toss defective or old parts than to mess with reuse etc. When bearings are installed, they are fit to the exact tolerance of EACH rod & main journal. It's not just a standard size. It just amazes me that they would have any machining debris at all to cause these issues. They have cleanliness protocols that are checked every shift that measure the amount of dirt & debris that are present when washing each part. I think they are doing the right thing but that's a s**load of engines to build. But with a new complete engine coming off of one line less than a minute apart, they'll get it caught up eventually.

 

I’ve always held some skepticism that the machining debris is really the issue. As you said, easiest of easy fixes which Toyota claims to have addressed in the manufacturing process with additional QC and checks. But the failures kept rolling in. Then some quiet changes to part numbers of the engine internals. I don’t think enough time has passed to know if those changes worked. I suppose time will also tell if Toyota reuses parts of the long blocks they’re shipping back, but I can’t think of another plausible hypothesis financially as to why they’d pay to ship the working motors back and tell dealers to scrap the motors that ate a main bearing.

 

who knows I guess, we can speculate, but we'll never know.

 

Exact question that went through my head. Maybe they want to inspect them. Might would provide some valuable durability data. Or maybe they want to inspect them, Recondition and send them back out as new. Or maybe something in between scavenging them for parts.

 

Exactly my thoughts as well. Same engine architecture but with twin turbos added, could be putting more stress on a few internals so longevity is suffering. That's my guess, but I'm no engineer. Knowing Toyota, I'm sure they've done ALOT of testing. They will pull a random engine off the line & run it for 40 hours straight at mostly redline RPM for testing, then tear it all apart & take measurements.

 

Wouldn't explain the early failures though.

 

I love Alabama, Beautiful state full of wonderful people. All Except the mouth breathers at Toyota motor manufacturing.

A running four-cylinder hybrid with more torque than many prior generationCummins beats a blown 8 cylinder any day of the week.