2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

On the payment question. I pay 588 on my powerboost. I think my dealer was a little irritated when I pestered them and busted balls to for awhile find 500 more for my trade to partly make up for package discounts they were trying to hold back. Then when we closed the deal I kept adding to my down payment check without blinking until my payment went under 600 bucks.

IMHO Ram is in that spot where a legendary engine people grew up with goes away where most people who want a new Hemi truck and heard this was coming snatched one up already. Everyone else willing to consider the Hurricane is holding their old Hemi until the TTV6 gets a track record in the ram. Kind of where Toyota was in 2021.

Meanwhile if people smell an opportunity with the Tundra recall they're probably swooping for discounts.

 

I'm selling my late dad's truck for my mom, I have to admit it runs pretty strong for an 11 year old Hemi with almost 200k on the clock.

 

Yeah, I was wondering if it's just because the Ram hasn't been redesigned since 2019 while the Tundra was new in 2022 and Ford and GM seem to tweak stuff every year. It feels like there's a certain portion of buyers who just jump to the newest truck on the market, regardless of specs or anything else.

 

How much .

 

8k. 2wd. It's a straight up work truck, but it has a spray in liner, BedSlide. Be a good truck for some local contractor.

 

This....

The Toyota 5.7L makes more torque where you want it in a truck than the 5.0L, down low. I've always not enjoyed 5.0L engines for torque/towing, whether it's a ford or a boat, but thought they were pretty cool for the mustang/car applications. I think most folks just want race trucks anymore? I think the Yota 5.7L still makes more torque, and lower, than even the latest Coyote.

 

This is just due to Ram transitioning their production lines for their Hurricane motors, and mid cycle refresh so their plants aren’t producing as many trucks.

Numbers will be back to normal again at the end of the year, with Ram and GMC close for the #3 spot.

 

You guys sum up my situation pretty well. Love my 2016 3.5 Ecoboost and especially how it tows our 5800lb TT, way too much power for everyday driving has been mostly reliable except for 2 exhaust studs breaking, one under warranty and one on my dime at $3,000. I now have a subtle vibration which will no doubt get worse over time but otherwise still OK with the truck. When this last exhaust stud broke my wife said go buy a new truck and that's why I'm here, researching new trucks and had it narrowed down to a Tundra, on pause for now for obvious reasons, or a 5l F-150 and possibly a 7.3l F-250.

But Ford in their wisdom have eliminated *any* 8' bed F-150s unless it's a regular cab XL. I think I'm done with the TT V6s and would love to buy a 5l F-150 but just not available. That leaves the 7.3l F-250 which won't be as nice of truck for daily driving.

I have wanted to buy a new truck for months now but there is nothing I want to buy. Weird times.

 

Interesting topic for sure. Official peak #’s are:

5.7L iForce: 381 HP/401 LB FT @3,600
5.0L Ti-VCT:400 HP/410 LB FT @4,250

Seems close at 3,600 rpm (5.7’s peak) the Ford 5.0 is making right around ~400 lb ft which matches the 5.7 Toyota pretty well at that rpm. The big difference is that the 5.0 continues to build more power after that into the top end. Idk, 410 lb ft of torque with a 4.69:1 1st gear ratio with the 10R80 is a shit ton of torque on demand with the 5.0. There isn’t much that won’t pull confidently that should be behind half ton.

 

I contemplated a 5.0 but never got to drive one when I shopped. Only Ecoboosts in stock everywhere.

Everything I have ever seen says you have to get into the throttle and rev to feel the power. My Tundra felt like it had torque ready for me pretty much everywhere in the rev range.

 

I'm not saying the Coyote is bad, I just think that people forget how much torque the 5.7 from Toyota made, where you actually want the torque (not racing). I guess each to their own, some people love to rap the crap out of their engines, again why I think the Coyote is pretty cool in the mustang, and just OK in the truck.

Back even in 2007, Toyota released the torque numbers for the 5.7L which didn't change much. Dated compared to modern turbo power but, I think still better than some modern V8s with the exception of GM 6.2L.

From Toyota 2007 materials....which is quite impressive still, IMO.
"At the flywheel the Tundra makes 320 ft-lbs at 1200 RPM, 360 ft-lbs at 2400 RPM, and 401 ft-lbs at 3600 RPM"

 

so how does that make the yota 5.7 "not very competitive" like you originally stated?

it can't be that small difference on paper, 19 peak HP and 9 peak lbs, thats so small its mute and even more muted since the yota makes the power sooner and more usable without having to rev north 4K rpms to get there

 

probably not much, when they put the 8 speed behind it in other models, it didnt do dick.

it was just a gas guzzler , plain and simple. I really never cared that much though, Im a not a MPG guy.

its emissions that killed it more than anything

 

Some of it is owed to the transmission, you have to take the drivetrain as a whole unit. Same thing with the GM 6.2L. The 10L90 and 10R80 have much deeper ratios and more of them to choose from, that’s more torque multiplication. The 5.0 and 6.2 put their grunt through a 4.69:1 1st gear ratio vs the 3.30:1 on the 5.7. That’s a huge difference.

The 5.7 would have been more competitive with a 10 speed, but it still was a pretty heavy engine for the power output. It all comes together in the end. Chassis, transmission, power-plant all work together.

 

Aren't you overlooking the diff? I'm sure the newer 10speeds with 4:69:1 might still be able to get that low end torque lower, but diff makes a difference. I seem to remember Yota being 4:3:1 with tow package rear end. Can't remember how to calculate all this and too lazy to now, but I don't think 1st gear ratio is the only factor here, but it does enable these newer platforms to try to get the best of both worlds with towing and mpg for the power.

not to mention, those 10-speed transmissions have not exactly been as reliable as people hoped.

 

I know that, but nothing wrong with re-stating it , I get it.

but my viewpoint is still (as an entire package) it was not correct to say the yota 350 powertrain "wasn't very competitive", its right there with the others

In my mind to say not very competitive the situation would have to be more like when toyota came out with the 5.7 tundra in 2007 and ford had the 5.4, now that was not very competitive, it WALKED AWAY from the ford big time in tow tests, etc.

I guess we can agree to disagree, hell it doesn't matter anyways, the 5.7 isn't made anymore, and as far as the Ford 5.0, I have no interest in it as far as V8s go, its more of a car motor with that high torque peak.

 

the tundra 10 is hands down the best IMO, but Aisin has always made good transmissions.

That said, for <10 clogs, the ZF8 was awesome in my 2013 Ram, that was when they first made them and they were made by ZF in Germany before Chrysler starting making them here under license.

That was a great trans, super fast and smooth shifting.

 

The Hemi engine was the biggest reason I never looked at a Ram. Basically the same engine for decades and not really competitive. Kind of like how GM never seems to do anything to make their 5.3 appealing.

 

how was the Hemi not competitive? I assume we are talking about the other v8s?

This "not competitive" thing you guys keep saying, Im just not getting the reasoning. Are we down to saying that if one has a few more HP or lbs than the others? or are they that deficient?

I can't imagine hooking up a 5-7K trailer to all the V8s in the last few years and none of them are going to blow away the others by that much that it makes them "not competitive".

if we are talking vs the boosted newer motors and hybrids, then I get that

 

I don't quite understand the obsession with power trains being competitive. Once a certain baseline is met across the class of trucks the rest are basically bragging rights for the manufacturers. Like having a slice of cake and then covering it in frosting to the point where 90% of the frosting gets tossed.

 

What did you end up ordering? My vote would be for shelter green

 

hell, slow your roll man, I’m just trying to get a definition of competitive first , lol. Then we can move onto the merits

it keeps getting thrown around that things aren’t competitive when they are damn near the same in numbers and performance, limited to the v8 topic at hand that is

 

That’s the thing, the 5.7 is not near the same performance by the metrics we use to test motors typically. 0-60 on a 6.2 GM or 5.0 Ford 10 speed product is low 6’s in the worst case on a loaded long wheelbase or mid 5’s best case. I don’t know of any Toyota 5.7 coming close to that 0-60 or a 14 sec 1/4 mile that the Ford/GM V8’s post. The 5.0 gets a combined 19 mpg while having 400 HP on tap. The 6.2 is 17 I believe. What MPG does a 5.7 get? 13? It gets beaten on acceleration by large margins and is bested on mpg by 5-6 mpg. To me that is not competitive for a half ton that is 99% empty/personal use.

Now I agree with you to a point, let’s pause. The 5.7 WAS competitive when it launched, it just hasn’t been updated. That’s not to say it’s bad or was never cutting edge. I just meant by todays standards as a whole.

 

ok I can understand that argument , mpg was always shit but it was way way more reliable than the others typically anyways to combat that

Ok, I’ll take your word for it , I don’t typically track 0-60 times , when I’ve driven them it didn’t seem to be that different in the seat .

it gets beat (as of 2021 anyways ) by large margins?

 

Oof. That’s upsetting.

 

Typically mid 5 seconds range for the Fords and GM’s. Here is Dragy 0-60 of 3.5 EB and 5.0, the 3.5 EB does 5.2 sec and the 5.0 does 5.5 sec both XLT short beds so relatively light trucks. That’s hauling ass in a truck. Muscle car #’s a decade ago.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/xcJnWF8oIiU

 

and what is a 5.7 tundra of similar size and set up, etc ?

I have never raced a truck though lol.


That said , I do appreciate a truck that can get out of its own way, I’ve never been disappointed with a v8 tundra in that regard. That said the newer ones do it easier

 

Avalanche. I’ve always wanted it and I’m just getting it.

green is nice but I hate scratches and swirls and a few YouTube videos I could see them in it. So I’m going with avalanche even though everyone and their momma getting it

 

Tundra 5.7 is typically 6.5 seconds, so about a second slower 0-60 than Ford 5.0 and GM 6.2 on average id say. Weight, transmission, etc are all factors too. Tundras were heavy girls in those years. Not sure how curb weight compares currently.

 

Given it's the top powertrain, I'm comparing it to other makes' top powertrains (in normal half tons, not including things like the Raptor and TRX). It lags behind every competitor in power:

Make/HP/Torque
Ram 5.7/395/410
GM 6.2/420/460
Ford 3.5/400/500
Ford 3.5 Hybrid/430/570
Toyota 3.4/389/479
Toyota 3.4 Hybrid/437/583

You also aren't getting improved fuel economy in trade for less power. Every other truck on the list does better except for the GM.

It doesn't look like a lot, but when you do the math it's behind 26% on torque compared to the average of the rest. With the cost of trucks, I wasn't really interested in something that is at the back of the pack.