Can I tow this?

I have a 2016 SR5 5.7. I am looking at this camper 2020 Keystone Springdale East 335BH specs and literature guide (rvusa.com)

I am able to tow with no issues my current one rated at around 5000lbs. We dont have a lot of stuff and most is very light. Maybe 500lbs of stuff.

I also have a brake booster and I don't go over 65.

Thoughts? (Please be gentle)
Mark

 

I'd pull it. But I'm on the fringe...

Dry weight is fine. Loaded lightly, it's fine. Fully loaded, it's over the max tow weight which some will take issue with. But it's no different then pulling a 14k rated trailer with less than 14k lbs on it... Tongue is a little heavy. And it's a long trailer which limits campgrounds depending on where you are at in the US. It can also mean white knuckling a heavy cross wind. We had a 33' for a while and the truck had no issues pulling it, even on windy days. Most campgrounds have a 30' limit where we go. We sold it and weren't planning on another trailer, but got a smokin' deal on a shorter trailer.

The slide is over the trailer axles, which helps a lot - both with tongue weight and trailer balance in cross winds and such. Honestly, I'd prolly look for a shorter trailer just because. But if you need to sleep 8, that's about the only way it's gonna happen in a trailer. The truck would pull it fine , IMO. I'd make some towing oriented upgrades. But I'm just some random guy on the internet.

 

Thank you for your very imformative post. I have a break booster and weight dist.hitch with sway built in. What else would you suggest me getting? We are only getting it cause wife wants 2 toilets.. lol

 

LT tires and some suspension enhancement in the rear such as airbags, HD leaf pack, sumo springs... pick one. I'd prolly upgrade the brakes, as well, even if it's just an upgraded pad. Don't misunderstand, the factory brakes are great. Phenomenal, even, especially for factory brakes. It's what I use and I tow every week, sometimes trailers in that weight range. I decided upgrade to an Alcon brake kit, which is way on the end of the HD upgrade spectrum. But even the TRD brake pads from Toyota give a little better bite and performance at the expense of pad life and dust. But at least make sure your brakes are in excellent condition when pulling heavy.

The LT tires help control the load a little better and offer additional inflation/load capacity beyond the factory p rated tires. While the load capacity isn't necessary when going off of the axle ratings, they help keep the tire cooler and offer a more robust carcass that helps with peace of mind, especially on a hot summer day. This can be a heated topic. Again, IME, I've run two sets of p rated tires on my truck, and four sets of E rated tires. I'll keep the E rated LT tires for how I use the truck. The downside can be a slightly firmer/rougher ride when completely empty and possibly a small hit to fuel economy. But if you keep the correct pressure in them, the ride shouldn't be affected much.

 

I pull a 33' palomino, single slide (over axle), 8K GVWR, 6,300 lbs. dry weight, 750 lbs. tongue weight. It is heavy, but now that I installed the transmission cooler I feel much more confident about towing it.

Items that are a must have for my setup:

• RAS Suspension installed
• Equalizer WDH and anti-sway
• Akebono Performance Ultra-Premium Brake Pads (Towing)
• ADVICS Rotors
• Genuine Coolers Transmission Cooler Kit
• LT tires (forgot to add originally)

I would at least install what I have for that heavy of a trailer, and would also suggest upgrading your bump-stops (I didn't, but any heavier I would have).
Most people on this forum and online, I believe would suggest to stay closer inside of the tow and payload ratings for your Tundra. For my pro, I would already be over the listed payload capacity with that trailer hitch weight (1,100 lbs.) without even counting myself.

 

No. It's too long, too heavy and over the limits if you load it and carry anything in the bed etc.

You will be putting everyone in your vehicle at risk as well as everyone else on the road.

Tell your wife one toilet is enough for a trailer. If you need a 38' trailer with 2 toilets to enjoy camping, you don't enjoy camping. Rent a cabin.

If you are towing to a seasonal spot, hire a trailer service to do it for you.

Just because you can tow it, doesn't mean you should.

That tailer is too big.

 

Is your truck a crewmax? What’s the payload sticker in your door jamb say on it? Any heavy mods on your truck?

I will say this, my truck is a crewmax and it has a 1185lb payload. That camper you have listed there says it has a pin weight of 1100lbs. If I brought a dog and a ham sandwich I would be over payload.

Could I tow it? you bet your ass I could. Should I, probably not.

 

You either have a big dog or some massive ham sandwiches...

 

Since you asked, a bigger truck. In all seriousness you will be 500+ pounds over your trucks safe capacity and the trailer length is 8' longer than what some of us experienced tow jockeys feel is safe to tow.
My SR5 is rated to pull 9,200 pounds regardless of what any salesman says. In my mind that is a flatbed trailer loaded with rebar not a 9,200# travel trailer with all the sail area that goes with it.

 

Can your truck drag it, yes. Is it wise? No.

You are solidly in Heavy Duty territory when you are breaking 30 feet on a travel trailer. No 1/2 ton should tow that.

 

the towing is 1100lbs.. for this VIN.

 

SO for those that 'flamed' me so to speak, it would have been nice if you had 'constructive' criticism for example: with your truck i wouldn't pull anything over X or Y. But I did expect to be flamed. It is what it is. so thank you even though it brought nothing to the table.

 

All those mechanical ideas are great - I'd also consider the route being taken - elevation changes - SGs - trans temp monitoring - making sure your rig has a Real external trans cooler and depending on mileage on trans fluid consider multi-drain fills before trip. Luck.

 

oh yeah i am hoping to stay 6000 or less but never know.. i can make it 1/2 way across the us

 

Don’t you worry about the size of my ham sandwich.

 

We don't know what truck you have. Is it a 2016 or 2015? What does the payload sticker say? Even if you had a unicorn with 1,500 pounds of payload and no add ons, once your hitch up and put 1,100 pounds of tongue on your Tundra, subtract 75 pounds for the WDH, you have 325 pounds left for driver, passengers and whatever else you decide to carry in the truck.

Sorry you feel as if you are being flamed.

 

You solicited “thoughts”. Expressing you have too much trailer for your truck is going be a lot of people’s thoughts.

since you want rules - I wouldn’t tow anything over a 26’ box and 800lbs tongue weight with a half ton. You’ll still be over GVWR is you have any passengers / gear / tools in the truck.

 

So playing devils advocate here…

325 lbs is enough for two passengers. Throw all the junk in your trailer. If he packs 500 lbs of crap that’s 50lbs of additional payload on the truck? Maybe they are fly weights and 275lbs is enough for two passengers. Seeing as how the trailer is more than 10% nose heavy, it prolly wouldn’t hurt to throw that 500 lbs of gear over the axles or slightly behind the axles for net zero extra on the tongue.

That would keep the trailer under max tow capacity, the truck axles below max, and the payload police happy.

Yes, that’s all theoretical. But isn’t most all the conjecture in towing threads theoretical? Just sayin it could work based off the numbers handed to us by Toyota…

 

Can you tow it? Sure. Will you be over the limits? Most likely. This is my setup and I feel I'm at limits here.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/new-travel-trailer-question.120435/page-4#post-3095664

https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2018-jayco-jay-flight-28bhbe-travel-trailer-specs-tr35701

 

So you’re 800lbs over GVWR with 465lbs less trailer weight on the truck - 0% chance the trailer in OP would make weight.

 

Tow ratings are marketing. Marketing is lying as legally as possible. 99% of the time you will not find an RV trailer that is in the upper end of the tow rating that won't smoke the Tundra's payload rating.

That info is pretty readily found across the forum in the towing section. Specifically I would suggest this thread. https://www.tundras.com/threads/tow-ratings-guide-how-to-be-safe.39211/

If you want it spelled out here instead of looking at what is available then we need more info. Take a picture of the sticker in your door that states your payload. Then we need to know any mods that added weight to the truck to the truck including tires, wheels, the hitch you use, floor mats, suspension, etc., and finally we need to know how much you, your passengers, and any and all gear in the truck weighs. All that weight gets added to the tongue weight of the trailer, which is 1100 lbs according to your link, and that number needs to be less than the payload rating on your door jamb sticker.

I promise that there is absolutely no way you can tow that trailer and stay within the trucks posted limits.


Telling you "no" isn't flaming you.

 

here you go

 

Look up this number in your owners manual to find your models true towing capacity. Look for another sticker that says curb weight and you may find a smaller yellow sticker that subtracts your port installed options from your payload. Remember, curb weight is full fuel and other fluids. No driver, no floormats, no phones etc.

 

Other sticker

 

Other sticker.

Should look like the lower one with a tire picture here.

 

these are the only other stickers i see

 

I believe that’s 10,600 lbs towing capacity

 

This one. It shows you have 1502 of payload available. (1515-13). You’d have to subtract the pin weight and hitch weight (1100+100) leaving you 302 lbs for you your passengers and everything in the truck. Assuming you put truck tires on and beefier springs or airbags to handle the weight and not ride the bump stops, that additional weight comes out of the 302.

The scarier problem, you’re towing a 35’ x 10’ x 8’ building that’s gonna toss your 5,400 lb truck like a rag doll when it hits a gust of wind.

 

And there it is, unfortunately.

@skifreak I promise we aren't trying to rain on your parade. We don't want you to regret it through a miserable tow experience or, worse yet, an accident. You just need a bigger truck or to get a much smaller trailer.