Interesting informed take on the Tundra Recall

It all depends when and how much is picked up by the oil pump. The failures occur randomly it seems.

Don't forget than any casting sand in the oil pan has to go through the oil pump and filter before it gets to the bearings. No one has reported any black debris when inspecting oil filters but since the Gen III has a filter that must be cut open to inspect I don't think many owners are going to look for metal or debris.

I don't know what pressure it takes for the filter bypass to open but hope it's high enough that it only opens when the filter is clogged.

So yes. Sand could and probably would inhibit the oil pumps ability to make full pressure and the sand would get broken down to much finer particles that the filter would trap....unless the bypass opens.

 

Wow, glad you got it started again. Was the restart after the semi passed? I was curious about how hard it was to stop with the trailer after it stalled? I think this is the first time I heard of someone towing and had a failure.

Glad you escaped the situation!

 

I have found both in my filters, This was changed at 14,000 ish miles. This will be the the filter that ran oil from the 3rd oil change (1k, 5, 9k). The oil pan had the same black gritty substance at the bottom. It did not pour out when I emptied the used oil into the containers. I had to wipe it out with my fingers / cloth.

This oil change scares me and is why I'm highly considering trading the truck. I've never seen an oil filter with this material in it before and I've cut open several. (using an oil filter cutting tool)

 

I got the truck started pretty quickly and there really wasn’t any way the semi could pass. I didn’t have any problem stopping the trailer, but I was on a slight incline so that probably helped.

Thanks. It was pretty surreal and nerve wracking for a bit.

 

Your nearly brand new truck is at its lowest potential value right now in an extremely cooled market under a sweeping recall with no solution yet announced. Any dealer will bend you over to give you the least amount of money possible for a trade-in value on your truck.

I’m not saying you have no cause for concern whatsoever, but your truck currently runs fine, yes? Best to hold for now until the solution is announced. Otherwise look forward to locking in a $10-15k loss (after what, one year? OOF…) when it’s all said and done.

 

Wait and see what the fix is would be my approach. Likely the unknown is worse than the end result. Minimum you get a longer warranty.

I am not as confident the lower trade in rates are directly tied to the recall. It maybe Toyota unusual to trade in a vehicle with an open engine recall. In the wider market it is much more common and dealers don't bat an eye. I traded in a Ram EcoD with in a couple of months of extended warranty expiration due to the de-laminated control knob issue Chrysler ghosted. I got 55% of what I paid for an 8 year old truck with 90k on it. Difference was still late COVID market and the supply was still iffy.


The Tundra demand/supply is upside down with a lot of new trucks produced and selling but still high inventories. That makes the pressure on used Tundra prices significant. My hypothesis is there are other vehicles experiencing that same demand/supply impacts on residuals due to rising inventory levels leading to falling prices on new ones. But this site is focused just on one truck. Dealers quoting it maybe parroting a customer recall concern as an easy excuse for a low quote. The key reason is the row of Tundras he has already burning floor space $s he needs to sell.

Tundras are selling at 160k a year rate which is higher than a normal of 120k. But inventories are still very high. Seems Toyo is over producing like the Detroit model leading to panic rebating to sell the iron.

 

Agreed. The entire market is cool. But we’ve already seen people posting that their dealer is unwilling to offer a fair market trade value on their truck due to the open recall. The excuse given is the dealer can’t sell it CPO with an open recall. My point is that the open recall with no fix is yet another bargaining chip dealers will use on top of high inventory and a cooled market.

Wait until the fix is announced. You may then be putting a bargaining chip of a free extended warranty or new engine on your side of the table instead of the bargaining chip of no fix yet announced being on the dealer’s side of the table.

Or just do what I am doing and keep the truck extremely long term no matter what.

 

Smart and well reasoned post IMO.
I do think you're being a little generous with the 120K run rate prior Gen3.

 

As I said before, I had a car that had bearing issues. They were replaced at the dealer. It didn't' take long for the market to realize that those motors were more valuable that the ones that didn't have the rod bearings replaced. Your thesis could be correct.

 

$10-15k is based on MSRP - correct ? My understanding is in the US, they were selling well above MSRP. Some on here were posting they paid $6-7K and more above MSRP. Even more reason to stand down and just wait.

 

Anytime you pay over MSRP on a vehicle you should expect to get skinned. C8 corvette owners are getting clobbered as they paid huge premiums and now you can buy them brand new for < MSRP. Same as it ever was.....

 

tundra sales are rolling

2024-q2-truck-sales-results-chevy-tundra-maverick-wows

 

I meant the comparable from previous years. They had bumped along at 80K-118K and now they are up 50% in an industry that gets excited about single digit YoY.

 

The Tundra spike in sales does not track with the larger market. The only viable explanation is Toyo is capturing the lions share of saging Ram sales. Stellantis is in full retreat due to pricing it's core buyer our of it's products. Many people that jumped in Ram were disgruntled ex GM or Ford owners like me. Makes sense if they are disgruntled with Ram they are more open to Toyo than a GM or Ford loyalist.

But still seems like Toyo is over producing even for that scenario and they need to drop production or better align it with customer preferences.

 

Based on lot inventory, they're definitely over producing. I never thought Toyota would do that. They have always seemed to strike the balance.

 

ya, I know what you meant, I just saw that sales number thing and thought I would add that in.

so much for the tundra sales flop, so far anyways

 

I talked a guy yesterday that was trying to get out of his 22. A nearby dealership told him they wouldn't even consider a trade on a 22 or 23 with the recall unless the engine had already been replaced.

 

I hope this whole thing puts a major damper on the modern vehicle consumer's pattern of

buy ->
drive for a couple years ->
trade-in before warranty is up ->
get beat up on "closing" costs on the new truck yet still act like they got a good deal because they "kept the same-ish payment" ->
rinse/repeat.

 

Agree. Here in Ontario/Quebec you also pay provincial/harmonized sales tax (HST). In Ontario it’s 13% and 15% in Quebec respectively. So, on $50K that amounts to $7.5K (15%), and on $80K, it is $12K. Just crazy! My ex-BIL was flipping his cars every 2-3 yrs. He convinced himself it was the “way” to go. I just shook my head. No wonder so many folks have negative equity when it comes time to trade in their car.

 

Seriously why would anyone even be thinking about purchasing this new Tundra. It seems like Toyota has a couple years left to fix all the problems, some of which are dangerous. Just give it a couple years than start looking at the tundra again.

 

anyone?

simple, because when I tested them all when I was shopping for a half ton , the tundra was the best out of them all for me and the best 1/2 ton on the market according to my needs and likes.

 

Simple.
- I wanted a new vehicle.
- I wanted current technology
- I wanted a new vehicle that I maintain or oversee maintenance from day one
- I wanted ability to purchase manufacturer's extended warranty 10yr/125K miles.

 

Evidently it wasn’t the best truck. Will be one day, not now.

 

Nope. My '23 has been flawless. No issues. No regrets.

Everyone has different values. I'm glad your '18 floats your boat - that all that counts.

 

My ‘22 was flawless. Until it wasn’t. I didn’t even know about the issues with the bearings until mine went. Now it’s in the dealership with some tech who has never seen this problem before rebuilding the engine. ‍

 

I'm confused. Do you own a Gen III or 2.5? If the latter, you really don't have a dog in this fight, do you?

 

Jtruck just likes to leave his dog turds here. He's one of those who doesn't ever pick them up.

 

It's definitely a gamble but you're paying a few grand under MSRP at least and they're giving you 1.99% on any amount you want to finance. It's not a bad time to buy one if you're willing to take the risk on a late 2024 build. Interested to see what the prices are in 2025 and/or when the refresh comes.

 

That sucks man. Did the tech say he’s never done this before? From everything I’ve read, the engine rebuilds are done by master techs only. I know that is not much of a consolation, especially having heard that one or two rebuilds have failed, but it’s something.

 

Sadly, you will use that war

Nope, no way I would own an 3rd gen until Toyota can build it without imploding. People all over this site are calling out transmission, rear end, overheating, and yes main bearing basically falling apart. Currently Toyota is building a crap filled tundra.

Give it a couple more years. If Toyota can’t fix the problems they are done in the 1/2 ton North American market.
My old 5.7 is just fine.