Traded my ‘24 TRD Pro

No, unfortunately it won’t. However, my wife is much happier now that we have a free bay and easy access to the garage fridge and my tools, garbage cans, etc. Before, I would have to open the garage door just to get to the other side. So, it’s a nice change.

The family discount is significant for sure and maybe you can use it down the road if needed. Regardless, thank you for the kind words and hope you have nothing but a great ownership experience. I wish you well Rabbi, cheers.

 

I’ve only had my HD towed into the shop a couple times under warranty. I think it’s fixed for good now. Hopefully

now patiently waiting for my 24’ tundra to blow up

 

It’s a dam shame the money they are asking for these vehicles nowadays and the poor quality we get in return. Yes vehicles have come along way and there are some really great features but, for me I’d way rather see something reliable than a bunch of features. I’ll always be grateful when I look back at my time with my 5.7 tundra that thing was rock solid.

 

LULZ!!

This hit just right and satisfies.

 

Reality for all OEMs is they have split limited engineering resources across ICE and EV model lineups. That is not generally a good outcome for quality. Many companies are deploying their final ICE powertrain. What you see now is what you get for a long time.

At some point it becomes do you want to stick with a 350 HP lawn mower engine tuned for CAFE or switch to a 700 HP EV? The EV at some point will be the superior engineered product that is best supported by the maker. The ICE will be the semi supported legacy product offering. I think we are starting that awkward transition phase now

 

Excellent observation.

I needed to replace my wife's BMW X3 last week as its lease was ending soon. I looked at BMW's product line and all ICE-based models have basically been stagnant for years while the pure EV models have received all the R&D. I wasn't initially thinking an EV was in our future but after driving a couple of them I changed my mind. We now have a BMW i4 in the garage. It's an amazing vehicle. Fit and finish is at German-built BMW standards as opposed to Tesla which is rough to say the least. Power and handling are amazing. 95% of the driving she does will be met with the needs of EV and it costs a fraction to charge at home versus filling up at the pump. Plug it in at night, it's recharged in the morning with 300 miles of range. My only concern is how quickly tires will get eaten by this thing with all the torque.

We leased it, as I wouldn't want to own an EV with the technology and resale values in a constant state of flux. BMW has found a way to roll the $7,500 tax credit into the deal immediately which makes the value proposition even more compelling.

We have the Tundra for truck stuff and road trips. Great combo. I wouldn't want to be straddled with an EV exclusively now.

I think the technology and infrastructure to support EV's will continue to improve over time but meanwhile but as you stated we will be in this awkward transition phase for awhile, like it or not.

 

Kind of in the same boat. My wife is due a new vehicle and the ICE stuff I am looking at is some combination of old, expensive or boring. Some of the EV deals are getting better and with the Tundra to handle the trips the EV is looking more attractive for the local use case

 

I disagree. The EV’s are already falling to the wayside with the public and the manufacturers are reeling back from them as well. The market will decide as it always has. Right now the fact is the market favors ICE.
I honestly could care less about if my vehicle has the latest engineering or not as long as it’s reliable and I get my moneys worth out of it.

 

What you see now is a surplus of EVs vs demand. You got every legacy automaker and new EV only makers spitting out multiple EVs trying to get ahead of the market transition to reposition as an EV leader or face future extinction. Some of the EV models are half baked, some are too expensive, and some are just lost in the sea of new models released. We are in there will be winners and losers mode now.

EVs as everything have been politicized. Sure the horse to ICE transition was well. But technology itself is not political and a tipping point where the benefits and price point will be reached where technological advances win out.

Part of that will be as gas demand drops there maybe an initial dip in price followed by many oil companies and distributors leaving the sector due to lowering return on investment . That will result in a huge spike in gas prices to sell it at retail in much smaller volumes. That economic situation will be the final death spiral of ICE.

 

There may be ebbs and flows, but the transition to EV is not going to stop. I'm in the same boat as the OP, contemplating an EV for my daily; using the truck when I need it. Also will look at Ram Charger if/when it becomes available.

 

Much like the transition from cassette to CD.

 

Nice truck. I ordered an AT4X and should be here in a few weeks

 

VW just announced a $5 billion investment in Rivian. They're certainly not reeling back.

 

Nearly half of American electric vehicle owners want to go back to gas-powered cars: study (nypost.com)

Need more hybrid offerings..

 

Just gotta let them have their cognitive dissonance. They get pounded by headlines without context or obscure survey data with leading questions and take it as factual market direction while ignoring all the other evidence showing the opposite.

Ultimately doesn't matter. The more people that end up riding in or getting behind the wheel of EVs, the more end up purchasing them. There's no going back now, especially with the rest of the world exploding in cheap EV options.

America is going to be the most painful and slow transition, just like it always is. Between the vast distances we travel and the politicization of goddamned everything, it's going to continue to be slow. But ultimately in a decade or so, everyone will look back and go "remember when everyone was saying EVs were going to disappear?" while likely having one parked in their driveway, and we'll continue to have a nice, sensible chuckle.

It's just not even worth the effort to try to convince naysayers. They'll get dragged along kicking and screaming like they have throughout human history.

 

Honestly, Rivian is probably my favorite EV truck(for what that is worth), and now they have updated with better cooled motor and more power. I wish they would cram a 212 kwh battery in there like the Silverado to make the towing range a bit more reasonable.

I very seriously don't believe that, unless its EV truck owners because they dont know how to do math and thought they could replace their gas powered half ton with a Lightning. Every EV owner I have encountered online or anywhere says they will own an EV moving forward. Unless you can only own one vehicle because of your living/financial situation, it doesn't make a lot of sense to not own one for many people.

Granted, there is a bit of a learning curve. Its not an iphone that you can plug in and have a full charge in 30 minutes at your house. Not knowing what a kWh is could make it difficult for people.

I picked up a used 2018 Chevy Bolt with 20k miles for $17000. That was the same or cheaper than most gas powered cars for the same year and miles and yet I pay about 1/4 - 1/5 to charge it vs what gas would cost for a gas car that averages 35 mpg.

You know how many people I encounter that don't like EV's simply because they are being "forced" to buy one by the gubermint. They hate ev's just on principle, not because they have even bothered to drive or own one or to open an Google Sheets and do the math to figure out the benefit to their wallet. Although, I question if they could even do such advanced mathematics.

Its always, "EV's are only good for 100 miles at most and I like my freedom." Even though I drove my Bolt 200 miles in the winter on snow tires on 70-75mph freeways while hauling 4 Tundra wheels and tires, 2 CV's, and 2 UCA's and only used 73% of my battery

 

My take from the article was that the biggest complaint was not enough charging stations, even in highly populated areas. Many folks have no other option than to use charging stations. No government forced them to buy an EV. They wanted an EV and most likely took advantage of the various tax credits. No surprise that Australia was at the top of the list. Their outback is bigger than ours. I'm fairly certain charging stations are somewhat scarce in remote places. Ev's are here to stay, but the infrastructure kinda needs to catch up. Meanwhile I'd like to see some more hybrid offerings. Doesn't matter how many cheap EV's are sold, you need a convenient way to charge them. Until that happens folks will be reluctant.

 

They don’t want one for the same reason you think they should. You’re on the opposing side and think that it should work for everyone. It doesn’t. Dense areas with short commutes? You bet. People who have longer commutes, need to tow daily or need a vehicle that they can work out of continuously without the need for prolonged “refills”? Maybe not. They believe what they believe, you believe what you believe. Everyone always thinks they are right. I think my wife could drive an EV. She has short commutes, the car is home for extended periods of time overnight and she hates getting gas. Seeing Randall Cobbs house burn down due to his Tesla charger is disconcerting for some. Rare? Sure. Possible? Yup. ICE vehicles aren’t known for spontaneously combusting in your garage overnight. A mix of vehicles on the road is likely a better solution than everyone having an EV. We aren’t really ready for that anyway.

 

Agreed, at least until the charging infrastructure and technology is there. Toyota purportedly has new battery tech with some features coming out as soon as next year and released over a few year period that increase capacity and charging speed.

I'd actually prefer electric if it has the same ability to get me where I need to be with towing and offroad adventures. Toyota continuing to push hybrids will likely be a major boon for them as the infrastructure is still lacking.

I would have loved a hybrid plug in Tundra. Getting even 50 miles on hybrid alone would be a great feature.

 

If you run out of gas, you can carry a small container to the vehicle and get it going again. If you run out of electricity. It’s a flatbed tow.

 

Where did I say every vehicle on the road should be an EV? Can you point to that in my post?

I think I specifically said unless you do not have the ability to own more than one car due to living/financial reasons for those random, "what-if" situations where you need to drive a huge distance. I also shit all over EV trucks in my post because we all know they dont tow well. Most Americans are not towing on a regular or even semi regular basis.

The average American drives 13k miles a year. That means, on a given day, they are driving 35 miles a day. Even if you widdled that down to just the work week, its 50 miles a day. 50 miles is 20% of my Bolts battery even in the dead of winter and can easily be done without ever even looking at a public charger.

So the average american has zero issues using an EV, and even probably the 70th-80th percentile american driver. Even if your daily commute was 150 miles a cheap EV could easily do that.

It has nothing to do with what I believe.

 

Another reason why ai want absolutely nothing to do with electric..... Could it happen with gas sure, but I do not want these high amp electric chargers and batteries in my house. We are currently building right now, and thought about an EV charger for future proof in the garage but passed on it.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40444658/randall-cobb-family-lucky-alive-house-fire

 

Ok, so 70-80% of people should. I was way off.
Most people only own one car.
Also if you tow 3-5 times a year, you still need a tow vehicle.

 

I bet most people, even truck owners, don't tow 3-5 times a year. And even if they are, is it really father than 20 miles? I plan on getting a small utility trailer and using my Bolt for home depot runs because it has a 2" receiver. Ill be able to carry more weight than most half tons can in my bed.

BTW, the average american household has 1.79 cars. That includes people who dont own cars at all. One EV and one pickup truck can do whatever you want.

Im using logic, you and most others are using emotion. If most people really widdled it down and took a hard look at their use case, they would realize an EV would work perfectly fine for them.

 

Not to mention, what's more free and energy independent than "fueling" your own vehicle with your own fusion reactor with zero intervention 95 million miles away?!

 

Where was I using emotion? Can you point to that in my post? I’m not emotional about it at all. I didnt think that you were either. Not sure why you would try to inject that into the conversation after saying that was the “anti-EV” crowds game. Not sure why that matters here. I personally have a boat (4300#) and a travel trailer (8000#). We tow the boat 2-3 times a year now that it’s in a slip and the camper 6-7 times a year depending on which trips we book. I also tow a Zero turn lawnmower every week during the summer. I tow a side by side numerous times a year during hunting season as well. Not everyone’s use case, but it’s mine. Saying that you think for most an EV would be fine is presumptive and based on your biased opinion about others needs. Also, **when properly equipped** (whatever that means) the bolt is capable of towing 1500#.

 

All the times you throw out "what-if" scenarios is exactly where. What if you have to tow 3-5 times a year, what if you have to drive 300 miles a day everyday, what if you tow a trailer for a living.

Those are all emotional response that people use as excuses to argue why they don't work for them, but reality is thats not most people's situations. Or, if it sometimes is, they have two cars and could have one car for those types of scenarios. I've towed 3500 miles with my LX570 since the end of February, but I still drive an EV almost every single day.

I covered those bases in my first post when I said "if you can only own one car" or "if you thought a lightning would replace your gasoline half ton"

 

Im going 600 miles one way this Saturday, towing and at or near payload max (including tongue)

EV won't cut it for that yet.