1st Gen. Lunch Table - General Discussion

@Jack McCarthy NVM I was confusing Spock with Data.

 

Completely disagree with this. The difference in appearance between 265's and 285's is huge. Not as much with 275. I went from 265's to 285 and it transformed the look of my truck. Wheels helped too. Agree with most of your other points.

My tires are 5 years old. They only cost $180/tire then. Before the tire companies started raping us. Now they are over $300.

 

Kenda Klever 35x10.5r17 are only $300.
Cheaper than most of the 35x11.5 and 35x12.5 that DT offers.

I read somewhere that Cooper was trying to aquire Kenda Klever. If they do, I bet Kenda Klevers start selling at DT, which would be highly beneficial to me.

 

Kenda makes the Klever mt and at2 in the 33x10.50! Thats what's on my work truck. ParishTireDirect is who I buy from on the 'bay.

Edit- Oof. They make a 33x10.50x17 not sure about a 16

 

I'm telling y'all, it's not the width that matters, it's the height. Pizza cutters give you all the sidewall, but less(ish) of the rubbing. Take a look at Ironman:



You can't tell what width those tires are, but you know how tall they are. Now, if we take a slight peek from behind:



Ehh, still looks good to me. Maybe you fat tired boys can tell, but it looks kosher to me. Better snow/mud grip with skinnys. I'm all for that.

I'll be running 35x10.5x17 with assdog soon enough.

 

Ironman looks good and rides like a caddy. Hopefully my suspension work pays off.

 

I think the bold part is misleading, and here's why I say that.

The visual difference between 265/65r17 in a standard tire and 265/70r17 in an A/T is fucking enormous, and I don't see anyone on this forum speaking to that. You're gaining an entire inch of diameter minimum at the same width with that hop, and to that 1" gain, if you're jumping from a standard road tire to an A/T tire, that's a VERY meaty change, giving even more appearance of size depending on the aggressiveness of the tire.

When you conisder the jump from 275/65r17 to 275/70r17 only adds a measly 0.4" width (so 0.2" per inside/outside), and 0.6" diameter (so 0.3" top/bottom) that's jack shit compared to the 1" (/0.5") difference in height hopping from 265/65 to 265/70. Jumping from 275/70r17 to 285/70r17, you're once again only adding 0.4" width and even less height @ 0.5". To put that into perspective, In that jump from OEM size of 265/65r17 to 265/70r17 you're basically gaining twice as much as the next two upgrades (275, 285).

The only comparable leap in overall diameter jumping 265/65r17 to 265/70r17 realistically is hopping from 265/70r17 to 285/70r17. Which is cool, but if you put my truck running 275/70r17 next to your very-similar truck running 285/70r17 and see how similar they look visually, and how they'd undoubtably be able to do all the same stuff, I gotta ask: Why would anyone buying all-new equipment bother with going 285/70r17, knowing they can look and perform nearly identical with 275/70r17, but potentially run lighter, have somewhat less side effects, etc.?

I would guesstimate only 1 in 3 people coming here for lift/wheel/tire advice actually intends to go offroad. It may be even less than that, realistically, and the others aren't posting. That in mind, the others are just doing the changes for improved looks / handling / overhaul. Why would anyone push 285s on those other 2 out of 3 people who won't offroad, knowing the benefits are heavily outweighed by the cons? Just put them into something that'll give 1.25 - 1.75" lift with an aggressive 265/70r17 that'll give them another inch of meat, and their truck will look and handle aweseome, and they'll be happy.

Last person I saw on here with that setup, ~1.5" lift and 265/70r17 looked awesome. I could barely tell the difference from my truck, or your truck. And now I wish I'd have bookmarked where it was, b/c it's what made me realize, "Oh shit ... Why've I been pushing everyone towards the larger sizes when this looks really damn beefy?!"

I paid ~$230/ea for my Mickey Baja Legend EXP. I was looking at 10-15% more for KO2 at the time. I forgot about greedflation, you're 100% right, my language was off.

 

EXACTLY!

This is exactly what I'm saying. The 1" hop going from 265/65r17 to 265/70r17 is crazy significant, when you consider you only gain half an inch in the next two hops (275/70r17, 285/70r17).

The avg person will get more bang vs. buck making that 65r17 => 70r17 upgrade than any subsequent upgrade, you've gotta hop two sizes to see similar gains. This is my whole point.

And if you go with a faux beadlock ("rash guard") like I have on my Methods, you gain another visual inch (or more) if said fauxlock is black, which ...

I dunno. There's nothing more I can say. It truly is about the height gain first and foremost, and the lug/tread aggressiveness (going from RT > AT > MT) that visually changes things.

You don't need 285s. It's cool, and you get a little more width, but there's nothing your 285/70r17 can do that my 275/70r17 can't. And if my 275/70r17 can do what your 285/70r17 can do, I genuinely suspect a 265/70r17, being an inch taller over stock, can do what my 275/70r17 can do.

So why the hell is everyone riding the 285/70r17 dick so damn hard, to the point they insist on pushing that as "the" tire folks need? I guess that's where I'm stumbling. Maybe there's some magical benefit I'm missing, and I just can't see it because I'm rolling paltry 275/70r17?

 

@bmf4069, I will say though, you running 16s (visually, the smaller alloy vs. taller rubber) definitely carries visual significance though. To be fair and all.

 

Anyone know of any dealers offering 4th of July discounts? Need to get LCA’s asap. Local dealer has them at a decent price $262.54. Hoping to get a better deal elsewhere.

 

No, you're completely on point. The only reason I kept the 16s was to get more sidewall. Well, that and Patrick's are awesome. But I digress, more sidewall will always beat more width. There's almost no gain to going wider vs taller when talking mm's. With that being said, a 265/75 vs my 255x85 is worlds apart. It's an exponential equation when doing the metric numbers since it's (whatever % of sidewall height)x(width of the tire). I 100% agree with the metric sytem>imperial, except for tires. I adamantly stand by the imperial system. 33x10x16 is a shit ton easier to imagine than 255x85xr16.

Shit I went off on a tangent again, didn't I? Anyways, I'll always argue that skinny/tall beats fat/not as tall any day, any how, any why. I'm sure there are reasons to get the wides, and I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, but I just don't have any need whatsoever in my part of the country to get the wides. Pizza cutters all day every day.

 

....andddd I'm here to say fuck it make your life miserable and go 305's.

 

what a view!

 

If you can wait until July 2nd/3rd, I think you'll have a better view of what's out there.

 

Yeah I got a little time to wait. Do you know what dealers in particular? Any threads that you know of I can keep an eye on for the sale?

 

Ehhh. This desert dweller thinks Sedona is way better!

 

Crazy part is, in the 2nd picture I just quoted, TBM's tires on 16s look meatier than yours on 17s.

https://autoparts.serratoyota.com/

 

Yeah I can't argue with you on that.

 

Those views!!!!

 

Oh yeah there's certain angles that even pizza cutters look really big. I'll see him tomorrow again so I'll get better pics haha

 

Now I do like the 35s, and others here like @Brown Bear and @Casper421 have 35s as well, and brown bear is rocking the RCD 6" lift to achieve that. I know I'm coming off as argumentative but I swear I'm not trying to be that way. I think the 35x10.5x17 would be a much better fit on our trucks given the shit geometry we were dealt. Look at how our wheel offset angles are given. We're just fucked from the get-go. A factory offset wheel with 35x10.5x17 and a 1 1/2" spacer is ideal in my book.

I understand it's not everyone's cup-o-tea, and I accept that. I agree that the 305 35s look good. Hell, anyone running 35s on a 1st gen gets props in my book. My ultimate goal is 35s on a 3" lift with as much tubbing as needed, minimal body panel trimming.

But yeah, eventually I'll make my way to DFW and we can cuss and discuss over beers in a Twin peaks parking lot as needed.

 

Haha tires are always a great conversation. Seriously though I'm contemplating my decision on 285 after reading through these post. I originally wanted 255/85/16 AT4W C-load for that exact reason. More sidewall is key to most terrain's. I could not pass up a great deal on 285 and I had 17's sitting in the garage. My GX on oversized LT265 Cooper Rugged Trek have done great off-road. I can agree 265 are the overlooked. Certainly not a head turner but they do get the job done.

 

The sensible size is what you're suggesting. Zero argument with that. I turn in any direction and stuff a front tire I'm in the firewall. I've got cam eliminator plates locking the caster all the way forward and the front coilovers cranked too. It's manageable, but I don't think the average guy would do the amount of smashing, cutting, and adjusting I did to get these to fit. Offset doesn't help the fitment, but they sure as hell make a truck look good haha.

 

I think the 285's are pretty damn proportional for these trucks. Those and tall pizza cutters. Can't really go wrong either way. Even with the low wheel travel numbers I find these trucks pretty nimble offroad. Great ground clearance with bigger tires as well. Not to mention the pizza cutters will suffer less on road. Tires are replaceable just get whatever you think you won't regret driving it after a month.

 

Yeah, I'm in the "0 degree caster and I rub horribly when stuffed but also through small dips, but not on the firewall only on the fenderwell" club. I think once I get my suspension and alignment set up right I'll be OK.

Problem is, I'm not gonna go higher for 35s. I'm gonna tub, well @JakeJake is gonna tub, I'm gonna help, and see what happens from there. But, that's at least 1 1/2 years away.

 

Might have to join the tub party whenever that happens haha. I think you'll have better luck than me since I'm running a 9.5 wide -32 offset. Blissful arrogance is a beautiful thing.

 

This made me absolutely cackle

 

I hope I get to see the west again, instead of the entire country in 8 days

I want to spend time there, and soak it in instead of passing glances

 

Do y'all get snow up there?

 

The way I see it, it's like shaving your pubes.
A visual inch is nice, but doesn't really do anything an actual additional inch would.