2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

And 1100 miles isn’t and would not have been worth traveling for an STX.

 

We have a different approach to car purchases and life cycling our home fleet. We usually keep our vehicles for 10-16 years but we prefer to have at least a backup vehicle or two to share between myself and my GF. That means purchasing a new car every 3-4 years.

Having backup vehicles allows us to have some flexibility with timing our purchases. For example, we would have been looking to replace our SUV with an Expedition Max in 2023-2024, but, as a matter of principle, I'm not going to order a 2024 Expedition just to see it refreshed in 2025 so we've opted to wait this one out a bit longer.

We've never traded in our cars. When it's been decided that it's no longer worth it to keep, we'll usually offer it as a gift to some other family member. After 10-16 years of use, it's usually not even worth our time to try to recoup that value. It's better off in the hands of a family member that has a true need for it or is not as fortunate.

 

How do I configure an F-150 to have a full roll down rear window?

 

The same way you ordered your Tundra with 4A and 3.73 gears.

 

Seemed like even more trucks on the overflow lot this am. Must have got a delivery. I drive by it every am to deliver my kid to camp. At the dealer itself there's a row of Gen3s with big
orange tags in the windshield but I didn't have time to get a closer look. Website shows 4k in available rebates on most.

I think This Summer is probly a great the time to pull the trigger if you want one of these and you aren't scared by the recall. A lot of other buyers seem like they might be.

 

By the way I think it's hilarious that the roll down window keeping getting brought up in this thread like it's some life-changing feature. Do I think it's a cool feature? Sure, I use the small window on my F-150 quite a bit to get better airflow. But compared to the huge numbers of features the Tundra lacks, it's nothing.

 

huge number of features?

like what, 4wd Auto, ya ok. but what else is the huge number of things you have I don't?

BTW, hope you've been doing well and catching some fish, Im heading up Sat for a week, woohoo

 

You are wasting your time, trying to rationalize with that guy. The Toyota Tundras tech features are light years beyond Ford 360 nonsense. Even their own CEO Jim Farley stated as much. The launch and recall has given Toyota a big black eye but it is nothing compared to Ford's own issues with the 3.5 liter eco boost. All large truck makers have their own issues but the Tundra is a nice truck. I have not had the issues many report but then my truck is an early 23 with 17k miles on it.

 

I think we have discussed this ad nauseum 4A is a huge one obv. not having that as an option on a $70k+ truck is an automatic disqualifier to me. Only having 3.31s is not ideal, ten speed helps a little but 3.31s will be less fun than 3.55 or 3.73s if you tow a lot or want to run larger than stock tires. And there are tons of others obv like flat floor, glare free headlights, tow hooks, etc.

Heading to the beach?

 

What issues are there with the current generation of 3.5 EB engines?

 

There is a big difference between A Cool Feature and Utility. I have carried all kinds of materials, small boats, kayaks without having to have 6 additional feet hanging out the back. Anything that keeps me from having to hook up a PITA trailer is a good thing.

I guess the Cool feature part is watching F150/GM/RAM owners faces behind me at a stop light if I raise it up and down - just for the hell of it. Any females in the passenger seat always point and reading their lips "Hey look at that "

 

we go round and round, but he's ok.

he also knows he can't over generalize and bullshit me, like others and vice versa

 

Having owned two Raptors, cam phasers for one. What is up with Ford making everything Raptor. The Ranger Raptor, Bronco Raptor, what is next the Maverick Raptor.

LOL

 

What issues are there with the current generation of 3.5 EB engines?

 

yes we have, I think we get to the 4wd auto is about the only thing that is missing on the tundra that is meaningful between the two of us. I would counter that with the load leveling rear and AVS, to me I would pick that between the two. Im not really into the larger tire thing, but if that's what you like and need different gearing, then I understand. tons of guys are running 35"s here with no issues at all regarding gearing, but I'll leave that to them, I have no experience with it, I'm on 33"s. Most people here who tow with the tundra report awesome performance and power, etc, so I think the gearing is likely fine.

no heading to Northern MN woods type deal, can't wait.

 

lol, I give you an A for effort there, wow.

 

Okay, I would say the longevity of the engine for one, You have a plastic oil pan? or did Ford decide to use metal from here on out and not switch them every other year. Gas mileage sucks, no hybrid option and they sound like a pissed off bumblebee. The Ford v8 is the probably a better option for the F150 but most makers want to kill that in lieu of the v6. The 4 cylinder 2.3 liter models are good engines but Ford benefited greatly from Mazda's help in designing it.

Not to mention 14-16 mpg in a turbo v8 is atrocious.

 

who has a Turbo 8? damn, did I miss that when I was shopping? HA

and Im not sure right now is our time to talk about engine longevity, lets wait until the mothership gets our shit sorted with the current BS, then we can go back to talking shit about that.

 

I believe the current generation of the 3.5EB and 5.0 Coyote engines are probably the most reliable gas engines found in 1/2 ton pickups at this point. GM still haven't fixed their DoD/AFM/DFM + lifter issues. Clearly Toyota is having a few hiccups with their Tundra engines.

 

Are you trolling? If not I'm not sure where to start.....

 

Is there an issue with the supplier or Toyota? I read where it is an issue with the basic v6 block maker and not a Toyota issue. It became one when the metal shavings reeked havoc on the NA motors.

Ford does have a supercharged v8 Raptor called the R and I think it gets around 10mpg or so.

 

Just want to chime in and say that the roll down rear widow is the best fucking thing everrrrrrrrr.

 

LOL, I have owned more Ford F150 in my lifetime then you probably every will. I had the 3 liter diesel when they made that one for a few years and the 3.5 liter eco boost. The diesel motor from Ford Europe was a lot better motor than the v6 eco boost. The Ford F150 is the best-selling truck on the market. I am not saying it is a bad truck as I have owned them and probably would in the future. However, if you are looking for confirmation just because you have 4A then I do not know what to tell you. Ford uses a vacuum system for that and while it is a cool feature to have it is really not necessary except maybe in wet conditions. The 4H system the Tundra uses is just fine and with the all terrain modes of the TRD OR it acts very much like an all wheel drive system so I do not see what the real issue is with not having 4A.

 

its not so much the ford engines that made me decide to pass, it was the hybrid system and moreover, the electronics.

but I likely had a rare encounter on the test drive, but hey its still the experience I had so I had to go with it. There was just something I couldn't get over when the guy said, "do you want to buy it after we find the problem and fix it?"

just couldn't do it, it seemed so so wrong. Im glad I didn't, I like this truck way better anyways.

 

agreed

 

You obviously don't know a single thing about the current generation and just repeat talking points you don't understand. Phasers have been non issues since August 2019, anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar, same for the oil pan. You're obviously trolling, will you be talking about Tundra bearing failures in 10 years too?

These jabs back and forth are fun if people are at least objective and informed.

 

but but but, the 5.4 pig ford spits plugs

 

One thing, about it I do know is the resale value and what depreciation hits you will take on a Raptor F150. Good luck recouping half your money back in 3-4 years much less the longer you keep it. Why don't you stick to the Raptor forums, you seem to match them very well.

 

LOL, like I said, trolling.