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Turbo Charging A Tundra!

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Builds (2014-2021)' started by bflooks, Nov 15, 2022.

  1. Jun 14, 2024 at 5:37 PM
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    That shield makes a ton of sense @TurboKits.com

    Add it to the tab and I'll get it tested for towing duty, too. I think the heat wrap would be required regardless of the materials, though.

    Promising update on the cooler thermostat, too. Def something to watch. Curious about that tubing coating vs heat wrap as well.

    So close and so many little tweaks still on the table. Looking forward to getting things further refined.

    As it stands, I'm calling it a win since this weight is no joke and the White Mountains (while not the Rockies) aren't small hills, either. You should be proud of what you've done, and I look forward to the rest of the journey. I'm managing the temps as is, so we're just looking for incremental improvements. 5 miles of consistent positive boost is no joke, and it did it well.
     
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  2. Jun 14, 2024 at 5:40 PM
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    I would never turbo or supercharge my 5.7. It gets shitty gas milage already.
     
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  3. Jun 14, 2024 at 5:44 PM
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    Yeah but then it'll go fast too
     
  4. Jun 14, 2024 at 5:48 PM
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    Oh she's fast, right to the next town gas pump. Oh and howdy from Palacios! I moved here last year from College Station. I used to come to Conroe to the VA office.
     
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    Hell come on back, I'll buy you a beer
     
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  6. Jun 17, 2024 at 4:59 AM
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    Absolutely, safety first as we always discussed, as well not causing issues for any of your family trips. We are so far past what we expected for the kit, it is DEFINITELY a win :)

    We'll keep refining! Everything we learn from you, the logs, the trips and the feedback only serves to make it a better product for anyone running it at even a 10th of the demands you are.

    Thanks again!
     
  7. Jun 17, 2024 at 1:57 PM
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    Made it back safe and sound. Another 185 miles of towing, this time with more extreme inclines and more sustained boosted pulls as a result (Peak of 4.6PSI earlier this morning). For anyone familiar, this is from Eastern VT over to 93 South into Franconia Notch. I ended up burning through an entire gallon of water/meth in that first hour. I also found new limits for Jesse's conservative and safe tune. So, uneventful overall, but a few lessons learned and a few $$ lighter after achieving (I think this is an accomplishment?) a whopping 4.0MPG average over 2 tanks on the way home. Good news is that Jesse was able to see everything that was happening via the logs and has already called to talk through it all. He could see exactly what I was experiencing throughout the entire tow, and we could discuss specific climbs, which was fantastic. So, yes! It made it, and Yes, huge lessons learned on today's tow, specifically.

    Going with the above post, the fact the turbo has survived this tow and the logs show perfect vitals, we now know the setup is ready for both work AND play, and Jesse can get to tuning it for such. Even my next towing trip (~6.5 hours into Northwoods Maine) won't be nearly as intense as this torture test due to rapid elevation changes, so I think he and I are both breathing a little easier now. Really looking forward to the next few revisions and small tweaks to the install over the next month or so.
     
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  8. Jun 17, 2024 at 2:47 PM
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    Glad you are back and had a relaxing Father's Day weekend... Yes, too much fuel, not enough timing... Wayyyy to conservative! LOL... But you did make the trip. So now that we have the data, we can start pushing back at the limits and get the efficiency back in the mix!
     
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  9. Jun 17, 2024 at 8:15 PM
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    Quick update on the water/meth tank install. Ordered the driver side molle panel but received the passenger side. I decided to keep it and go ahead with the install in the passenger side. Looks good but not 100% compatible with my bed liner in the bottom side. I am ok with it, not a big deal.

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    The tank holes are not compatible with the molle panel mounting plates. I expected that since the beginning so made 2 more holes to the base in the bottom section and 3 holes to the molle panel. Also, verified the spacing for future strap usage in order to avoid contact with the tank.

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    Only 3 holes matched the molle panel area and the base.

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    Added the fourth bolt to the base.

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    Connected the hose and added water to the top to test the water level in the front, near the air intake where the nozzle will be installed on stage 1.

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    Observed that water goes out of the hose up to 4 in. approx. above the intake. That means the water level is over the nozzle. I still have some space to relocate the tank and install it few inches down of the actual level but looks like that wont be safe because it will be too close to the nozzle level.

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    What I am planning:

    Option 1: Keep the tank in the bed. Relocate as low as possible and add a solenoid to close the line when is not active. The solenoid will open the hose at the same time the pump is activated.

    Solenoid from AEM: https://www.aemelectronics.com/prod..._methanol_injection_accessories/parts/30-3326

    Not a 100% convinced to go this route without another failsafe option in case the solenoid fail and keeps open.

    Option 2: Remove tank from bed (Spent some time looking for other places but still looking for ideas. Also the pump must be installed below the lower tank level)

    @bflooks / @TurboKits.com

    Have you guys seen any issue with this so far?
     
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  10. Jun 17, 2024 at 8:52 PM
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    @Jego - what is the issue, exactly? Are you saying you have siphoning due to rake/install location?

    The solenoid is the only solution I'm aware of specifically made for this issue. It is something @TurboKits.com and I discussed for my install, but we haven't really pursued that yet since my startup issues have been resolved. Jesse did add an inline check valve just before the nozzle, so maybe that's why I don't have the issue. I can pull the line from the nozzle in the engine bay and it won't siphon at all. It's a simple barrel check valve.
     
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  11. Jun 17, 2024 at 9:05 PM
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    I did a quick test to make sure the tank level is below the nozzle, but it is not happening right now due to the tank location. That will cause the tank to drain by gravity if I keep it at that level.

    The check valve Keeps the mixture in the line for instantaneous injection and prevents it from being pushed back into the thank when it is not injecting. I will add it too. :)
     
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  12. Jun 17, 2024 at 9:21 PM
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    I hear you on the idea of a one way valve preventing backflow. I thought I had it for a side effect of sorts.
    Jesse will correct this to 100%
     
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    Mine is white so is already FAST :)
     
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  14. Jun 17, 2024 at 10:22 PM
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    Looks like a check valve with a high crack pressure (the min. presure to open) can help prevent this issue too. The water/meth pump is rated at 200psi. It should do the job. Let's see what Jesse suggest!
     
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  15. Jun 18, 2024 at 5:07 AM
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    Amazing work Jego!


    So the AEM V3 nozzle has a built-in check valve, due to the high vacuum at decel, we added a second check valve in line to make sure nothing was dripping out at this high vacuum scenario. The AEM Solenoid is controlled by the meth controller and will NOT open until the meth is activated. The added check valve in line seemed to have helped the weaker check valve within the AEM nozzle and we don't feel there is a need for the solenoid at this time.

    This is the extra check valve we used, 2 benefits, the added "drip" protection as well as giving an extra break spot for hose if you ever need to run or replace it with new hose.

    snow performance high flow water-methanol check valve quick-connect fittings (nitrousexpress.com)

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  16. Jun 18, 2024 at 6:04 AM
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    Thanks Jesse and @bflooks for your support in this process.

    Order placed! Definitely that's the way to go.

    Summary of what's next
    • Relocate water/meth few inches below the actual mount
    • Add the Snow Performance HF check valve.
    • I really like the idea to add the AEM solenoid too as an extra. I will add it too :).
    This will be a 3 point check. The check valve in the nozzle, the Snow Perf. Check valve, and the AEM solenoid. :)
     
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    It's true. I have no drips. :)

    Thanks, @TurboKits.com for confirming I wasn't crazy. @Jego - the transition from Stage 1.0 to 1.5 did require an extension of the nylon tubing since the location of the nozzle changed, so this break (located on passenger side, just in front of the fuel injector harness) was welcomed. I wasn't looking forward to rerunning the line coming from the pump. lol
     
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    Looking forward to seeing the solenoid install. Are you going to add a bypass loop so you can manually divert around it if needed? Think RV water heater bypass, or in-home water filter bypass.
     
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    Maybe or adding a simple circuit. A switch that isolate the solenoid from the controller and apply 12v to it. This way it can be activated manually if needed. Or just a simple filter bypass as you mentioned. Let's see! :rofl:
     
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    Ran across a twin turbo toyota V8 in a video, never saw the whole thing so not sure what it was. Its in Thailand

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    I like their engine heat shield design and appreciate their ability to direct dump right out of the hood, or run without air filters. I'm assuming it's a track vehicle to allow this, but IDK. Pretty cool, regardless. Can only imagine the power they're making.
     
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    The heat blankets can be had here. You see them offshore and in plants all the time.
    I'm pretty sure its a strip/show truck.
     
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    Not the blankets, but the plates running along the engine as a heat shield. I've had to wrap everything under these in heat protective tape and heat looming. The bolt on plates are a much cleaner (and faster) approach.

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    Went right over my head. Yeh, its nice and clean. Sure makes working on it mo betta
     
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    Its in the other channel, but conveniently, I had an opportunity to play a little and I have some results from my quick trip to Mexico this morning. I'll post them there.
     
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    lol I get better gas mileage with my supercharger than when I didn’t have one..
     
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    True story. I'm full ripping it for tuning and still cranking out 13.7mpg (and climbing) with just a little "normal" driving mixed in. No complaints there.

    EDIT: My last towing trip is an example of what a tune can do to overall performance. It was a far end of the spectrum, with the other end being a burnt motor.
     
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