Would an oil analysis reduce concerns?

I sent my oil off to Blackstone for testing. Mostly for the heck of it as it's not actionable. If you're a buyer, does a series of oil reports matter? They could weed out bearing problems in the works or be clean. I'll post mine when I get it and I still think it would be investing to have a thread where people put up their test to see if there are patterns.


FWIW, in the boating market, a part of the sales contract are samples of the engines, coolant, transmissions and generators. Different market I know but normal there.

 

Wear metals can be tracked for increasing amounts. This can help drive decisions on how to use the truck.

planning a multi state family trip? Or a trip to the grocery store?

 

This is an interesting thought for sure. Now that you mention it, I would think since debris is the culprit, shouldn't it get flushed out with a few oil changes? especially if those changes are done early and regularly.

If i were buying a used Tundra, and the seller had oil testing done that showed it was clean, I would definitely feel better about the purchase, and possibly be willing to pay a little more than an equivalent example without it.

 

I think serial tests helps if you wanna sell your truck hoping it will come back normal with no metal debris, on the other hand the report will be problematic if it comes back positive, then what, park the truck to limit engine damage until remedy becomes available? I am thinking what to do myself, and I dont have a good exit strategy out of this Tundra generation, I even put hold on my bumper and winch upgrade until I figure things out

 

Right. The best practice is to have a history so you can see trends but a single snap shot is better than nothing.
The first samples almost always have junk in them.
It's probably just a dream as most people wouldn't pay the $35 to test and it's messy unless you know what you're doing.
Most buyers would probably think the results are gibberish anyways. "does it have ApplePlay?"

 

Yep, it's not actionable right now but with enough side by sides you'd probably see a pattern. Good test or bad, I wouldn't limit driving unless the metals were very, very high but that's just me. It blows up it's Toyotas problem.

 

If I remember right you're a diesel guy so this would be closer to normal for you.
Back to the boat world, if you're looking at a boat that just had the oil changed its very suspect because it nullifies parts of the test.
In any event, I'll run tests on mine and somebody will see them when I sell the truck.

 

It would help as a buyer for sure. As an owner, and a glittery report, nope.

 

I just ordered a blackstone kit, Ill post my results for my 2023 Tundra PRO, no issues, love the truck

 

I mean there's a high enough chance that the truck isn't one affected, right? I think doing something like this would serve to assuage concerns in the future. If it is affected, and the engine fails, and there was tests that showed metal in the oil, then you have extra proof to keep it as toyota's problem.

 

Done

 

I am thinking of running few tests 2-3K after oil change. What will be a reasonable mileage post oil change?

 

mid expected oil life....so if you intend on 5k changes...do it 2-3k in

 

I'm sure everyone knows but be super clean when you pull samples. Engine oil be moderately warm so things are in suspension. No dirt or sweat around the sample. You know, sort of like a drug test for your tundra.

 

Mine included in the recall, but I did multiple engine oil changes under 2K. at this point I am hoping to be ok

 

If things are going bad they'll start showing up at 3K. Maybe sooner in the Tundra because they retain some oil in the pan I think. 7Kish if you want to check how a 10K OCI change looks.

 

I may have misread your post and it was sarcasm because you thought I was going into oil war territory? Not my intent.

 

I saved oil samples from 5k and 10k oil changes... Just in case.

I just send it to Blackstone to see how is it...

 

If you think you're going to do more than one test it is worth buying the pump IMO. $50?.

 

yea that makes sense to me. It would be interesting to know if the ones that have failed had their oil changed, and how often, before the failure.

but chances are good that you're safe, and the multiple oil changes you've done already would mitigate the risk further, but I'm no expert. just a dude.

 

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I am not sure how useful this will be but might be interesting. I am going to send BS a sample from my 18,000 mile Tundra soon. This will be my first so don't have a baseline.

It would really be interesting if we could somehow capture data that correlates analysis reports to subsequent failures, and if those with bad or marginal reports fail more often than those with good reports.

 

Whether or not you see value in it is entirely one's own opinion. I like to have some idea what's going on in there, even if I can't control it.

For what it's worth, the two samples I have sent in to date (4077 and 7661 miles) have come back clean as a whistle. I didn't send in a sample at the roughly 1k and 2.5k changes as I didn't see the point as there's going to be break-in material in the first couple. For context, I do a 5k/6 month OCI and always hit the 6 month limit before the miles. Next change will be in August. I've had the truck for just about 2 years now and she's got a whopping 8800 miles on her.

 

No one predicted this failure, I wish I had this thought to analyse engine oil samples from the get go, now that we have an issue, I think it worth establishing a baseline, I am sure recall in this magnitude is very expensive to fix, hopefully it will help sort things out in case of monkey business from dealers or toyota themselves

 

If you're pulling out the dipstick the syringe will not work. Not enough suction volume.

 

Blackstone has a good Baseline for this engine now. Some here have had above average Silver content. And some see streams of glitter in their oil when draining the pan and emptying the filter.

 

From the handful of oil analysis I've seen, it seems theres either next to zero bearing material, or a decent amount that climbs over time on those that send in multiple samples.
To me, if I were a perspective buyer of a used one I'd want to run an oil analysis first to see which side of the coin the truck was on. If it had sub 3 reading on silver I'd take that as a "good" one and go with it. Any higher and I'd go to the next one.
I believe the 3rd Gen and oil samples are about to become the very best of friends. Current owners will start sampling more frequently to track bearing wear in their engine to see if they're likely to have their engine fail and I'd venture a guess that Toyota will wind up using oil samples to determine which engines will be replaced under the recall assuming they haven't or don't find another way to figure it out

 

In reading the reports in the other thread they really do have commentary and as others have pointed out, they're getting ready to have a lot more. Most interesting to me was the higher mileage 2022 at almost 100K. Oil and wear levels were fine or very good.

For new users, if you are in a major city or by major marinas there are alternatives to Blackstone that will provide local testing. It usually takes 24hrs. Blackstone can take a week or I've had them take up to 3. They're my default.