Has anyone seen this?

I understand that there are a lot of feelings about what’s happening. I’m just looking at the facts that we have.

 

I can't even remember the facts at this point...been so much BS. No choice but to wait until Toyota makes an announcement on the remedy and reverse engineer from there....

 

I understand that. But my point was @joescho saying how impressed he was with Toyota’s past actions with the rusted frame recall, and how I don’t think that would happen with today’s Toyota being run the way it is under Akio Toyoda’s leadership. Has nothing to do with emissions test and what other mfgs do. Toyota used to be better than that.

 

He’ll I struggled to sell my truck with the “gas fire” recall being out, the news came out right after I listed it and was a nightmare for all the private sale buyers I was trying to work with. Eventually talked one sucker into buying the turdgen

 

Very little facts to go on, unfortunately. I don’t think most people here believe Toyota’s report to the NHTSA includes all the facts, and it’s certainly debatable as to whether it contains any.

 

While this may prove to have some truth to it, it is an officially released statement to which I’m sure they can be held liable for since it involves complying with government regulations. We have that, we also have what failures we’ve seen here reported, which is real, but anecdotal. It is a fact that some of the failures that we’ve seen reported fall outside of the recall parameters. Why they failed and what’s been done and ultimately what will be the outcome and explanation for all of this is pure speculation. But the facts are the facts, as much as they are factual.

 

Good to see that we can still inject a little comedy into this discussion!

 

Exactly. @Hella Krusty stating that every ICE manufacturer smudges the emissions test is an attempt to give Toyota a free pass. Historically, the reason we have admired and trusted Toyota is because the company stood for integrity, unapparelled craftmanship, and reliability. This would not have happened under Akio's father, or grandfathers' leadership.

Grandfather started the company, father continued it, and the grandson ruined it. Based on trends, this couldn't be truer and under Akio's leadership, Toyota is suffering from the worst QC issues in the companies history. The Tundra is a perfect example of that.

 

No free passes with my $70k. I’m not a Toyota fanboy, nor that of any other mfg. I’m not going to trash them or bail unless this goes completely south. But it doesn’t look or feel good.

 

Why don't you just buy another truck and call it a day? At this point, what is the point? Are you invested in the company outside of the truck?

 

Then send us one. Where is the empirical data to back it up. Give us a couple of outlets. A couple of credible outlets. Not a blog post.

 

Fat load of good that will do us. If they get fine Toyota $200m, they fine them for lying. They don’t collect that and distribute it to the people who got screwed either with POS trucks or no resale value. That money goes in the feds coffers. We get a sharp stick in the eye.

 

Sorry @Rabbi, the truth hurts and obviously hits a sensitive nerve. I am not trying to create uncertainty in your purchase decision and respectfully, you're doing that to yourself.

To your point, I am trying to buy another truck. It's in the works, but tragically resale values are tanking, and dealerships are scared of Tundra trade-ins. But, if I was invested in the company, I would sell all the stock I own immediately. However, I continue to learn from those on this forum that are reasonable and logical and hope someday you can as well....truly.

Seriously, take a deep breath, and relax. If you're that confident in your truck and Toyota, my comments should not phase you anyway. As far as credible outlets, I have done my research and encourage you to put in the work and search FB Tundra forums, along with other outlets available to you. I am confident you haven't yet because you know what you will find, and that scares you. You're looking for the "there is nothing wrong with this truck", "it's perfect and covered under warranty" forum. Yet, when someone posts information that threatens your belief, you mock them to again, feel secure about your purchase. For what it's worth, I hope your truck provides you with many trouble-free miles.

 

For your viewing pleasure Rabbi. This just happened this morning. Again, do your research and please quit being afraid of what you will find.

 

That left lane must be contributing to the demise of these engines. Everyone is always over there despite being worried about getting stuck there in these trucks during an engine failure. Why not drive in the right lane?

 

No one is ever just sitting at a redlight or driving around town. It's always a precarious situation lol.

Come to think of it, haven't heard of any engine failures while buried in 2 feet of mud with a quarter panel being ripped off either.

 

It appears some folks like staying neck deep in this drama more than they’re willing to admit…

 

Maybe because nobody told us when we plunked down $70k that we should have to drive in the granny lane for fear of our trucks imploding.

 

Pretty sure the way that post reads that the “enthusiast” posting knew about the recall.

 

Please forgive @KNABORES for he knows not....until he is in this situation, I wonder what lane he will be in? WAIT....it just hit me, he doesn't even own a 3rd gen. He apparently has a 2000 Tundra, but yet spends time making unintelligent comments about a potential catastrophic event? Man, you can't make this stuff up.

 

Civility has left the chat. Y’all enjoy.

 

Then why do a recall at all? After all such a small number of failures, right.

Just wait and fix the bad ones.

 

Optics and litigation?

 

Thats rough.

 

I created a list of things I worry about in life more than my Tundra motor.

1. I'll never swim with dolphins
2. My desk pen will run out of ink
3. Whether or not @hagrid has eaten a Chick-Fil-A Honey Pepper Pimento Chicken Sandwich
4. The NBA finals
5. If I've gotten all the lint out of my dryer before starting a new load of laundry
6. If Baja Blast will go back off store shelves
7. Asteroids

 

Post of the day right there.

Last night I told my wife about the Tundra noise. She thought it was a substantial improvement in the other things I've done with her and my daughters.

 

The failures seem to have come way down though. Looking on the spreadsheet on the forum here they have something like 83 failures, but only 10 or so are a 23 or 24 model. Yes, they've been out a year longer, but still that's 85%+ of them being 2022. And some of the more recent failures, we don't necessarily know what caused each engine failure. And because we're hyper-focused on the engine failures because of the known issue of the bearings, if someone's engine failed for ANY reason now, we say Toyota is lying, nothing fixed. Whereas you can type in any year and any vehicle model and get an engine failure complaint. And maybe to toyota, reducing the specific bearing failure from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 100,000 is acceptable, though to us even 1 "proves" that toyota hasn't found the problem.

I'm certainly not absolving toyota from the mess here. This is a bearing, this is 100+ year old technology in every ICE, across any hp/tq range, and somehow toyota mucked it up. This is a foundational piece. I think we all have a reasonable expectation if we buy a new vehicle it won't blow up in the first few years. Reading through the report, I don't think they're lying. But they themselves admit they didn't understand at first, and the bearing debris was a hypothesis. And I get it, the KM are completely random, and there doesn't seem to be a pattern, probably not easy to replicate on a test bench. It's their reputation on the line, it would be prudent to get to the bottom of it as quickly as possible, and perhaps behind the scenes that has actually involved more than one change, but takes time to see the outcome. Having had engine issues (some with complete failure) with pretty well every other manufacturer, I'd rather toyota be dealing with this vs other manufacturers who have usually just ignored the issues I've encountered. They've acknowledged it. They have far more info than we do, if selling the trucks today makes sense to them, you'd have to assume they see the risk of failure as very low, as opposed to an inherent design flaw. Because changing all of those after that fact will be far more costly.

If someone wants to sell their vehicle, I don't blame them. People buy toyotas mainly for the reliability. When I got my tacoma, it was about the least equipped truck out there (it wasn't a base model, just comparing to other brands). And not interior only, just power, fuel economy, etc. Still had manual seats, and only got heated mirrors 2 years prior. But you're willing to sacrifice some of those things because a vehicle has one main purpose, and that's to get from A to B, everything else is a luxury, and useless without that.

For me, for now, I'm using it as we intended. I've got a multi-state trip coming up in a month (and I don't even live in the US), and we're taking the truck. Not reluctantly either, we have 4 other options, but the truck has been fantastic.

 

Whew, for a while I was worried you might be an imposter wearing a Eurodriver suit.

This set aside that concern.

 

Legally he can't. When he was on boarded as our diversity hire he signed a NDA saying he could not partake of those sammichs

 

deal breaker