Toyota not standing by their product!

Big difference between the Wildpeak AT3w and the AT3w"a", the latter being used by OEM (and not just Toyota). They are more street oriented, quieter and don't have nearly as aggressive a tread. The AT3WAs are also known as "Mild Peaks". They are built to a price point.

You're lucky to get 20-25K out of any OEM tire, because, price point.

The Wildpeak AT3w you buy at a Discount or Tire Rack is a more aggressive A/T and is a fine tire. I had a set on my Tacoma and loved then. IMO, YRMV.

 

Cheaper to buy the tires than pay an attorney unless it's Saul Goodman....then the attorney round might be a positive

 

Replacing OEM tires at 22k or less miles in not totally uncommon. Some makers spec tires from a tire maker that have the same model name as retail version but are cheaper built to save a $100 a vehicle. My worst was a set of e loads Continentals on an HD that were threadbare at 15k. Two sets of replacement Michelins went 55k with some tread left

My personal experience is Michelin is about the only tire OEM does not play that game to protect their brand. Why you see few vehicles with Michelin as standard because they will not trim rubber to hit a car makers number. Continental/Bridgestone however will do anything for a buck. If I buy a vehicle with CBs I price in a $1500 rubber bill in the first 2 years

 

Do your own alignments?



I was paying up to $200ish per alignment for decade+ on my other vehicle with a bit more sophisticated suspension (self pumping Nivomats in back), only to get sloppy results in return. Invested in a proper DIY alignment rack and had done it right in the first attempt. It was soooo off. The car drives now straight for a mile without any steering correction. I wish I did that in 2010, I could even save some money.

 

Funny, because in addition to my Tundra, I also have a 2006 Tacoma with ~330,000 miles and I am the original owner. I have never had an alignment and my tires still wear perfectly even 18 years later and I do 10,000 mile rotations... Toyota just got shit wrong this time and after it took them a couple years to finally fess up, they are still not taking any accountability.

Unfortunately, this just seems to be the norm now...

 

It's not needed much for vehicles with solid rear axles, but for independent rear suspension - yes, very helpful. Though even with truck I figured out my axle is slightly twisted. For front toe-in there are cheaper and better options.

 

My new Frontier came with Michelin Primacy's which were junk.

 

Man my 265/70/18 Toyo AT3's I put on the 18" BBS pro rims I put on my truck were only like $1100.00 out the door. Bummer on the $1700, but agree with everyone here you got 22,000 miles out of the OEM falken mildpeaks and thats pretty damn good, so you aren't really out $1700.00. You got 22,000 miles out of a set of OEM tires even with the terrible alignment. I replaced the mildpeaks that came on my 18" rims after they had about 7000 miles on them between me and the previous owner and can't imagine running those to 22,000 miles. You spent 70k on a truck and you're bummed about a $1700.00 consumable?

 

Next up he will put on bigger tires then come back and bitch about his MPG

 

You know they are or will be E rated!!! Maybe a 3" lift too? Like where your head is at.

 

-- I'm going to look into doing this. Thanks for the advice.

 

-I didn't know replacing tires at 22,000 miles was normal. I'm complaining about the factory settings being off from the factory. I've never heard of anyone being ok with getting 20,000 miles on tires. I thought this forum was for discussing Toyota vehicles and potential issues. I wasn't bitching asshole.

 

The fact that a truck costs 70 grand and the tires are garbage at 22k is kind of maddening. Especially with factory upgraded tires.

 

All good man.... as to the 22,000 miles it is complete and utter garbage that OEM's are allowed to put their own shitty tire they had specifically made for cost and mileage on there. OEM's market the vehicle like they are selling them with a quality known tire when it isn't. I think the normal standard P rated wildpeaks have a 13/32 or 14/32 tread depth new..... whereas the mildpeaks for Toyota have 10/32 new, so literally over a 1/4 of the tread is gone from day one.

That way your tires wore is complete and utter bull shit, but you also could have been more vocal with Toyota and the dealership as the tires were wearing out. We all feel for how big a pain in the ass it is. Its never fun dropping a couple grand when you didn't plan on spending that money on F-ing tires. I think you have a decent shot at getting some money out of the old Toyota's just not all of it..... you just got to be the squeaky wheel to get the grease.

 

Maybe all that model are junk. I don't think Michelin downgrades tires for auto makers. Car tires on trucks\real SUVs are a bad match

 

Yea they are. Shareholders are loving this. Buy it today, trade it in tomorrow.

blame the buyers.

 

I have done this several times, they will settle for you for some amount. I wish you luck.

Falkens are not bad tires per se, the tires are actually good. I believe this is the result of some TRD Pros leaving the factory with the wrong camber adjustments.

 

P metric rated tires are commonly used on trucks. "Real SUVs" LOL. If you are not hauling heavy loads often or towing a heavy load, an LT is overkill. A little homework goes a long ways. The Michelin Primacy's used by Nissan on non Pro4-X's have a lower treadwear rating than what is sold at retail. Same with pretty much any OEM tire regardless of brand. A simple check of the treadwear rating on the sidewall is the usual giveaway. As mentioned, 20K on an OEM tire is certainly not unheard of. Check out what tires come on new lower trim Tacoma's. P tires. Same with Ranger, Canyon, and Colorado lower trims.

 

Bitching, complaining what ever works....but you do you.

 

My BIL's Tundra burnt to the ground 3 years ago when a fire started behind the drivers side headlight.

 

I didn't know about the recall till after I did the swap to OEM LEDs. I would have done the swap as soon as I swap the crap job that has to be done to fix the issue. But like I said, Toyota saved a penny.

 

I work for a tire company. We have OE and RE (replacement) tires. We have two versions of essentially the same street all season highway tire for a pickup at 275/55R20 which is common across multiple half ton pickups. The same pattern for OE vs RE will have different part numbers and some components are different such as compound, treadwear rating or mileage warranty.

Not every OE tire is trash. They're designed specifically for the vehicle they're going on in the factor but that doesn't mean it's a perfect tire. In most cases though, OE tires do not last near as long as an RE tire.

Yeah Toyota failed to diagnose the misaligned tire at 5k miles but you got an additional 17k on it before you had to replace it. 22k is on the lower end IMO but not ridiculous. I think you're fighting an uphill battle if you try to go to small claims or lawyer level against Toyota. Especially at this point in the game.

 

Always their fault! Always!........ (married to a Toronto Canadian converted to merican)

 

OP, file a small claims action naming them and dealer. Or draft the complaint and send it to dealer. You don't have time for their BS.

 

The 2014 came with horrible stock tires as well. Barely made 40k miles. Dealer admitted they were crap and paid the cost of 2 tires towards getting a new set of KO2. Better than what most dealers would do

 

I wouldn't say so, I got over 50k miles on my original stock Michelin tires (could have gone to 60k but would not have had much tread left).

Dan