Blown engine

Ah gotcha. I choose whichever car advantageously projects my penor size based on the situation.

 

People can think whatever they want about my junk… I’m driving the LX.

 

Wise man!

 

When I drive this:


I think I am driving this:


My imagination really helps out!

 

I’ve wheeled my bolt harder than most wheel their tundras

 

Bolt is huge. My town car is a 2000 Honda insight -
When a school bus/garbage truck is on coming it naturally moves to the shoulder of the road.

 

I just bought a 2023 Chevy Bolt, might be trading in my 2017 tundra SR5 crewmax for a 24 SR5 crewmax, tow a 7000 pound when loaded toy hauler, 4k off MSRP

 

There’s like 9 parallel threads on bad engine bearings and there is nothing left to talk about besides speculating.

 

Toyota stands behind its products!

 

it would be nice if all that was consolidated, that would herd in the gen 2 guys as well into one spot, HA

the failures seem to be slowing down a lot just based on what we have here for tracking anyways.

my dealer (large dealer) said they still haven't seen one

 

Historically Toyota has never offered complete replacement engines rather just short blocks without heads, only "long blocks" I've seen were 3rd party reman assemblies

 

Honest question, is it actually cheaper in the long run to provide a crate engine rather than the rebuild for Toyota? I would have expected overall cost to be much cheaper on the rebuild than supplying new motor. But I obviously don't know anything about the economics of these OEM's.

 

The solution is obvious: pay dealers for less time that is required to do the engine rebuild. They would have to swallow it and cover the rest with their own money. Similar to what customers have to do: swallow that the engine in your brand new truck died in the most horrible way (oil starvation), and it was not replaced with one factory-assembled piece, and that the rebuild took a month or two, and it was done by an underpaid guy, who silently hates his job.

"But having Toyota's dick shoved up your ass half way is still better than the Big Three! They do it to the balls!"

 

Lol that's quite the graphic. But I agree, I'd be furious if I didn't get a long block replacement. I know the odds of them cleaning 100% of metallic debris is close to 0. I just don't know anything about the economy of scale with these problems. I'm a small business guy.

 

Who knows, maybe these $10k markups are here to cover the dealer's costs to deal with the problems when Toyota walks away from taking the responsibility?

 

Only Toyota knows the answer to that. This could very well be a case of a standard operating procedure that doesn’t make sense in this specific case, but being a large organization Toyota isn’t going to take the time to reconsider their SOP for warranty work on engines just for the V35A-FTS.

Another possibility is that the method for accounting Toyota uses for warranty claims isn’t reconciling both parts cost and labor costs on the same statement. So the parts cost appears lower, but the total cost due to labor is way higher. I have seen this scenario play out with my employer several times. Eventually someone reconciles the balance sheets, proves the bad idea everyone told VP of (insert title) had been done before, and didn’t work, still doesn’t work; and then VP Fuckknuckles gets escorted off the property.

 

Not happening. VP Fuckknuckles gets the problem fixed, reports up the food chain and gets a bonus or even promotion to SVP.

 

Daddy Yota’s long dick. Me love you long time !

 

My wife had a 2000 Accord with the infamous 5 speed auto. Behind the local dealership there would be a line of transmissions hanging on dollies the length of the building to feed a never ending queue of failed transmissions. My service advisor said Honda paid so little on the labor that the dealership lost money the year before just paying a slew of techs dedicated to replace trannies. My guess is that at some point every new Honda buyer for several years was throwing $s toward Hondas unofficial transmission replacement charity program.

 

Well that’s how it should happen. Around my company VP Fuckknuckles thinks he/she has new ideas. They’re not new though, but VP Fuckknuckles refuses to listen and tries a new version of a previously proven bad operating idea. Then becomes emotionally invested in said bad idea and refuses to admit it’s not working. Throws giant piles of money and manpower at said problem, until eventually one of his or her underlings or another VP actually start looking at all the numbers.

I’ve seen this play out several times. Most recently with a disastrous run through of a crew change terminal at Ravenna, NE where Alliance, NE based train crews would change out with Lincoln, NE based crews. Some dipshit VP of transportation thought it would be a good idea to try a 360 mile run with freight trains and coal trains. Cherry picked data to support this, did some other shady underhanded shit to make it happen, and then proceeded to refuse to admit it was a bad plan. Finally after 3 years and $300M in increased costs that weren’t being reconciled, namely in costs of re-crewing trains, taxi costs, penalty pay to crews for various things, and nightmares with lodging; some accountant actually reconciled the various budgets for all the things. The individual responsible was literally escorted off property by BNSF police.

Fuck that guy by the way, he hurt a lot of good people along the way.

 

They have some really, really plus a lot more reallys, shitty controls and the audit firm should be canned too. $100M/yr unreconciled hole in the boat is a lot even for an F500 corp.

 

It’s still costing them money to this day, when they changed things around some lodging that used to be used for crews was no longer suitable per FRA rules on noise levels. It was grandfathered in before, now it’s unusable. So those crews have to be transported about 30 miles just for lodging. There have been several auto accidents associated with this and a few deaths that could have otherwise been avoided.

 

At the alleged $20k-30k for a new V35, I am going out on a limb and saying they are getting clobbered on labor.

There is no way the parts are $20k.

Just to put it in perspective, a remanufactured long block(doesnt include turbos or the other "bolt on" parts) for my F150 was ~$6k-7k from the dealer and then it was $3-4k for the installation. $10-11k all said and done.

 

thats for a shitty ford though

 

Pretty sure Ford pumps out about 10-20x the amount of full-sized trucks / SUVs than Toyota. Spreading the tooling / machining costs over a million products takes the per unit cost down a good bit.

 

and its a ford, HA!

they circle the problem for you

 

Which is why its so embarrassing that Toyota is having so many bottom end failures at 20k miles. At least when the first Ecoboosts came out in the F150, they were making it to 100+k before they maybe would stretch a timing chain.

Ford wasnt putting 3.5L in every F150, in fact, they sell more 2.7L's. They had 5 motor options in the F150 at one point.

So almost $17k, without the labor to assemble the whole thing. That sucks. I'd imagine it would be, what, another 6k in labor at least?

 

divide that list price by five and you have something close to what the real out the door price for that engine is, standard mark up on parts is at least 5 times the real cost of the part, my brother installs and sets up the machines that make them

 

I don’t understand why all of these owners with blown engines aren’t forcing buybacks instead of having their trucks and engines dismantled…

 

And being without their trucks for months. Mine blows first call to Toyo is my attorney