2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Mine is an SR5 with what SE Toyota (Distributor to SE USA) XP package added. Basically adding different tires, fender flares, running boards, badges blacked out and this one came with a hard foldable bed cover which is very heavy. 1 owner with 32,500 miles when I purchased it last September.

It has been fantastic. It spent it's life in FL, garaged by the look of the paint, under body & under the hood. I have put around 7,000 miles on it and it is still like new. It does get thirsty as I am averaging around 15 mpg without towing. I really like how it drives and rides. Then again I am 56 and don't need all the electronic nannies because I don't stare at my phone while driving. As long as I can receive calls over the hands free/ radio I'm good to go. Text alerts while driving are turned off and send a message back that I am driving, please call if urgent.

Also 18 is the last year of the factory provided transmission cooler with the towing package.

PS that's my company provided Chevy next to it. A 4yclinder turbo 1 wheel drive version LOL

 

Back to topic.

Even with the huge incentives and low financing rates locally in Brandon, FL I will not trade in for a UAW strike era built F-150. Even with the incentives, the lowest priced on the lot, 2023 4x4 with 2.7L turbo is $50k. Too many quality issues and still a high price.

I bought this Tundra from a Ford dealer, who keeps calling me to trade in.

 

Oh boy, glad I found this thread. In October I traded in my 2015 platinum tundra that I pretty much turned into a Trd Pro because it was developing a leak around the timing chain cover and I was only getting about 11 miles per gallon for a 2022 Ford F150 lariat powerboost.
The F150 was used with 12,000 miles on it. That was actually the sales managers vehicle. It is honestly one of the nicest trucks I’ve ever owned. A little history I had to F150s before I bought my tundra and could not stand the fact that Fords nickel and dimed me. When I took the F150 for a test drive, I fell in love with it. Ford has definitely came along way in their finish and ride quality. Having the pro power on board is a game changer and a truck is completely loaded with everything that you could ask for
So currently my truck has almost 20,000 miles and had a check engine light come on and off a few times. It is in the shop right now and they are replacing a belt driven motor that I believe starts and stops the vehicle when it goes into hybrid mode. One thing I did do was get the extended warranty until 2030 or 125,000 miles whichever comes first so I’m not too worried about anything.
That said, I am still this weekend looking at the new Tundra and debating whether I should trade my F150 in and jump back on the Toyota bandwagon. My friend is a salesman at my local Toyota dealer and can get me a decent trade-in offer where my truck will pretty much be paid for however, I’m sure my payment will be bigger and I won’t have the warranty. On top of that I am afraid of this new Tundra reliability And I am not a fan of the huge grill and size of the vehicle in general.
Do I miss my old Tundra? definitely. That thing was essentially bulletproof and were free minus what was gonna come down the road with the leak and with prices rising the MPG thing was getting old. My F150 power boost I can get anywhere from 18 to 32 miles a gallon depending on the weather and where and how I am driving. If anyone has any questions or feedback, feel free to chime in. I miss this forum as my Tundra brothers and sisters are some of the coolest around.

 

o my eyes, too much circle the problem for you in that pic, ha

 

Belt Integrated Starter Generator. Doesn't seem super widespread, but enough for Ford to have written a TSB for the diagnosis of its failure. My truck threw a silent (no light, no FordPass notification) code for it once, but I only knew because I paid for a few days of PTS and was looking through the history. It hadn't happened again last I looked.

I also have the Ford factory warranty through the end of 2029 and 125k.

So far (~8000 miles), my issues/complaints/praises are as follows:

• My only dealer visit was for a DSP update to fix an issue where two speakers occasionally didn't work on startup. It did fix the problem.
• I do have one rattle that I can't track down because it comes and goes. Every time I want to try again, it isn't happening. It's on the passenger side somewhere and is fairly subtle. I tried to get my fiancee to help pinpoint it, but she isn't as sensitive to these things as I am.
• I'm averaging about 22.5 MPG since I've owned the truck. This is with all winter fuel, remote starting most mornings, a little towing. We're just starting to get warmer weather and summer fuel should hit the pumps soon so I'm thinking I'll be able to exceed the 23 MPG rating.
• I did use the ProPower system once. Powered my refrigerator, some lights, pellet stove, etc. during a storm. The truck would start about 5 times an hour, running for a minute or so each time, to keep up with the load. Pretty cool!
• The auto climate control still drives me nuts on longer (hour +) drives. It just keeps getting hotter and hotter. There are lots of reports about this on 2022s and 2023s, but no one seems to have a dealer that has definitively solved it.
• I've discovered that the 8-Speaker B&O system seems to be sensitive to cold. It definitely sounds better when the cab is warmer. It tends to get a little flat in cold weather. I've also discovered if I leave it in "stereo" instead of surround, it's less center channel heavy. I still miss the previous generation B&O system, but it's good enough to not annoy me now.
• One of my early complaints was the drivetrain is a little herky-jerky. I've either become less sensitive to this, or it's learned more and ironed itself out. It was brutal for the first 500 miles or so.
• I've towed with the truck a few times now - the most being my small Kubota BX tractor (I think it's around 2300 lbs with the mowing deck and front end loader) on my 16 ft car hauler (1900ish lbs), so ~4200 lbs. Not terribly heavy by any means, but I got 19 MPG towing it on fairly easy terrain for 60 miles. I usually don't tow more than 6000 lbs - that's when I bring wood pellets home on the same trailer. The towing features are really neat - it'll track the miles per gallon per trailer and adjust your distance to empty accordingly, for example.
• Overall, I still love the truck. The comfort, performance, and tech are all top notch. I'm hoping reliability continues to be good.

 

Ford has I think doubled Powerboost production and cut the price differential between it and a standard Ecoboost truck. so despite the problems, unlike pure EVs they see this segment blowing up going forward and don't want to be left out.

I'm just waiting for That first hybrid half ton comparo between The Tundra, Ram Charger and Powerboost where 0-60 in the high 5s and just under 14 in the 1/4 mile is the back of the pack.

 

Thank you! Great info. Yes, that’s exactly at the thing that you mentioned that the mechanic told me he was replacing Thursday.
I’ve only used the pro on board on one of our construction sites to charge up some cordless batteries but now I will probably never lose power in my house owning this truck

I also forgot to mention I did have a little gremlin very my new rattle in a driver side door, kind of near the grab handle and window switches. It was only evident when the radio was off, which is almost never, and only happened sometimes a little knee pressure against the panel in the sound will go away for a short time. It’s in the shop now and I’m driving an explorer ST which is freaking zippy and fun to drive as a loaner my 15 Tundra had a rattle gremlin in the dashboard that was much more evident, but I overlooked it because the truck had over 100 K on it.
I’m gonna go see my friend this Tuesday at the dealership and take a Tundras out for a test drive. On a silly sidenote I do miss Toyota dealerships. Ford is much more working man’s no nonsense with Toyota had a little flash and pizzazz when you needed something. lol.
I’m sure I’ll end up keeping my F150 because overall it has been a great truck and a pleasure to drive. Very quiet and comfortable. This past winter in the north east the heated steering wheel and seats were a game changer. My wife said on par with her Lexus RX 350. I don’t tow with it so I don’t need to worry about that. The only thing I was thinking of doing was putting some 2.0 coil overs and rash shocks in it to give it a slight level. That will be in the future if that all.

 

I think Fastlane did a comparison on the tundra and F150 hybrids. Tundra hybrid system is more for speed and torque where Ford uses them for that but also to get better MPG. There is a point when I drive my F150 power boost that it turns into an all electric running vehicle therefore increasing MPGs You have the benefit of the pro power on board system if you select that option, not sure what‘s RAM is going to have to offer. It depends what you’re looking for in a truck. My decision to go with Ford was more useful options where my truck is more of a tool. Plus, the zone lighting on the thing is great as well. To light up an area where you may be working or camping.

 

Ram supposed to get something comparable to propower onboard which I'd think will up pressure on Toyota to do something along those lines.

The really Intriguing thing about the Rancharger is I think the electric motor will be the primary propulsion unit and the gas one's purposes will be to periodically recharge it and supplement it in heavy throttle scenarios. It's not a PURE EV where the electric motor does all the work.

But it really sounds closer to a pure EV charged by an onboard gas generator than to a traditional hybrid. OTOH The Powerboost is mainly propelled by the V6 with the electric motor chipping in a little bit when it's charged and driving conditions are light enough.

More realistic possibility of something approaching 700 mile real world range, which is strictly 55 mph hypermile flat or downhill road trip stuff in the Powerboost.

 

Starter Generator was replaced on my 21' Powerboost a few weeks ago. The part was on backorder for months.

 

Woah, full size trucks and HD trucks can be equipped to carry more than a midsize HD truck? Please tell us more.

 

I think Ford is producing more PBs as they want to be seen as the leader in Hybrid trucks and doesnt want Toyota to out produce them in that segment.

What irritates me is Toyota says the iForceMax is all about power and not MPGs, yet from comparisons the Ford PB does way better 0-60 and MPGs.

 

I think it just weighs a lot more, what with the steel vs aluminum.

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Like what?

 

steel

 

yes, Penelope has some good ones. Toasted Barrel Strength is good too. thanks for thinking of me.

Weight of 6-700lbs is gonna cost it over a half second to 60? I don't care that much bc I am not racing around, but if youre gonna tout the hybrid is all power give me numbers that are better than competition

 

I have the Toasted Barrel Strength as well, I think I've had most of their bottles at this point.

Yeah I don't know about the weight vs take off speed. I'd guess the 3.31 rear end doesn't do the Tundra any favors there. All Powerboost are 3.73.

 

rear end is one thing.

I don't think in the 200 pages of BS if we have a final ratio compro of the two.

tundra is 3.31 in rear but trans makes 1st overall granny(ish)

my guess is the Ford is just way lighter, which isnt always better either in all cases. Sometimes with a heavier trailer the truck having more ass is a good thing, even if you lose drag races, which I don't give a shit about.

 

Ford with 3.73 on left, Tundra with 3.31 on right. Calculated both with 31" tires just for easy comparison.

 

And just for fun, here are speeds at given RPM. So even if the weight was the same, the Powerboost will still be faster 0-60 simply because the final drive ratio is lower. (I think power is effectively the same?)

 

With semi-float axles

 

What I find interesting between the two.

F150
Ford makes different frames "thickness" with the different engines.
The 2.7 gets the thinnest frame.

@Bannerman
Do the F250 - F350 share any Cab or Frame parts with the F150?

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Tundra
Shares its frame with smaller vehicles.
Patches and overlapping metal mods have been welded onto the Tundra frame to make it more rigid for the Tundra.

 

Ford Super Duty and F150 cabs are the same since 2017.

 

Lol. You’re still pointing to different classes of trucks to try to downplay the Hilux’s legendary capability. You started out saying the Hilux and Tacoma are basically the same thing just something something looser regulation, but that’s not anywhere near reality.

These little trucks are famously underrated—even at 1 ton—and I’d buy one in a heartbeat if Toyota sold them here. Here’s one towing 30k, driving 6 miles with no coolant, and tackling Moab afterward (also driving 3 miles of trails with no coolant):

 

Y’all wanna giggle


That’s before destination charge

 

After owning two fords, 21 f150 hybrid and 23 raptor, I’m back in a 24 tundra. I will tell you one thing that was the deciding factor— dealership service. Everything on my Ford’s felt more flimsy than this tundra, but that’s not the real issue. It’s that when you need service Ford wants the part to break before they fix it. Toyota seems to want to fix things from a reputation standpoint.

You pop any hood on an f150, of any trim and you’ll see black electrical tape everywhere, sometimes not even properly wrapped. Wires literally everywhere. The electrical issues on a Ford are a nightmare, everything else is pretty solid for a few years. That transmission can also be a disaster.

You can easily be swayed by its most up to date features, but I don’t know anyone who keeps their f150s for the long haul. Toyotas on the other hand…

 

Did you sell your GFC? I'd be interested if not...

 

Yea, sold in like an hour lol. I’ve got a white one on order for my tundra. Install August.

 

Obviously you like them, I'm just having a hard time with the price tag. They are worth it and well made?

 

They’re fantastic. Bulletproof. And don’t get too hot in summer because the roof is a translucent composite type