On The Fence With New Tundra

Ha! I've noticed that too with my white Platinum. I've gotten more compliments on it in basically stock form from random people in the past 6 months than I did in my Voodoo Blue Tacoma over 4 years.

 

Could not agree more. This is what my 4th Gen 4Runner had and it is pretty much bulletproof. Never had an issue with it in the 17 years I owned it.

 

same...i get a lot of staring and look backs at home depot for sure. Always funny watching them on dashcam footage later. Its a very drastic upgrade and not many out there still, so its a treat to get to see one...even for me having owned one since early 22

 

Slow your roll fan boy. The tundra is no engineering marvel. It actually went backwards on quite a few things when compared to the previous gen instead of forward.

 

it also went forward on even more than the last gen

 

What I wanna know is why we dont get efans....a lot of 1500s have e-fans and were stuck with old school hp robbing blades

 

I have already said it. The jump from 06 to 07 was a big jump on every aspect. The jump from 21 to 22 was a puddle jump. Let's not act like the Tundra is way ahead of the competition, it's not. I love the tundra as much as the next person, but I am not blind either. I could also understand how going from a 2016 to a 2023 is impressive. You could have gone to any 2023 and you would have been impressed. Just give it a few years and we will be back to the same song and dance, this truck is so dated, when will Toyota do something.

 

Can't make me.

 

Another mystery of the universe that we will never understand. Just like they took standard power seats from the SR5 and now you have to pay a premium for them. I had e-fans on my 06 Silverado SS. But some will say that's its because of the towing and hauling of weight, bs. Like you said others have it, for a long time now.

 

Remote start is what you're referring to. The way I look at that is if the starter was designed to work with auto start stop every time you stop a a light, a couple extra starts here an there when you use the remote start won't really change much in the long run. That being said I do hate that it shuts off but just have to remind my self its designed for auto start stop so it isn't a big deal.

 

feeling negative today I see, lol. I need to send you some beer

I tried some of the others as far as "any half ton", they weren't as good. I was most impressed with the Ford that took a shit on the test drive, ya, that was awesome.

For sure going from my 16 to 23 was a big jump, that was my point, it does everything better damn near.

and they can't replicate 06 to 07 ever since they went from a 7/8 truck to a full size, they can't go any bigger unless they go to a 3/4 ton platform, which they should but won't

 

yeah, i come from an 05 ccsb 1500...SSS 14b rear end, trucool 40k, 4.10s on 275/45/20 declads and 4/7 drop with helpers....never overheated or even saw a temp spike towing 8k+ in hot SoCal heat.

Im in a Platinum...cant complain about he seats other than they are nowhere near as comfortable as 99-07c GM trucks

 

Sooo whats the better half ton on the market right now for new trucks? No one mentioned engineering marvel. He said what is the better half ton on the market right now. We know we know.... I'm going to go out on a limb and say the 2.5 gen right?

 

you'll get the same shit as always, auto AWD and turning radius

 

Nah, not negative, just being realistic. As for other 1/2 tons not being as good is subjective. Friend at work bought a 23 Silverado with the diesel. I was very impressed by it. We have 2 3rd gens at work and they look small compared to the Silverado. Ford, to me is also nothing to write home about. Also have a 24 dodge at work, also very impressive. Just because they can't go bigger doesn't mean they can't go forward. They went backwards on a lot of things. No excuse for that. If it was working, why not improve it or just let it be.

 

Nah, 2.5 is a POS. Pick any of the big 3.

 

if the other 1/2 tons being better is subjective (which I 100% agree) , then why are you telling us we would "have been impressed" with any of the others?

I also tested the GM, the fuckin seats were so awful I had to end the test drive.

so , based on the fact that this is subjective like you just stated (again I agree), thats why there are those of us that say the new tundra is the best 1/2 ton on the market, because to us, it is.

it went more forward than it did backward, so we can agree to disagree, no problem, its all subjective anyways like you said.

 

lol, now your back, see tundras.com is therapeutic

 

I said, I was impressed. But yes you have a point on the subjectiveness. Me personally, I wasnt impressed that to get the same equipped SR5 I have now in a 3rd gen is going to cost me $10-12k more. Not that impressive for what I do, which is tow a boat and go to work.

 

This place is always therapeutic. Matter of fact I ran across a deal on a brand new Magnuson that I might buy since this place makes you do things.

 

I can understand the cost thing for sure, you have mentioned that numerous times, I totally get that.

but unfortunately , thats just a market thing, all new cars and trucks are stupid more money, it is what it is.

the tundra is still cheaper than the other trucks trim for trim, like a platinum Ford was way more than my platinum tundra as an example.

but my 2016 platinum tundra had a sticker of like 51-52, this one was way more even though less than the other big 3 trucks.

 

That's what happens when the idiots in charge print a few trillion dollars. Welcome to inflation. Have you compared 2020 vs 2024 prices for "same equipped" trucks from the Big 3? I'd be willing to bet you'll see the same price increases.

 

Agree 1000% on the idiots printing money. Now on the inflation of truck prices is another thing. On an inflation calculator I should be able to get an SR5 for around $47k OTD, aint happening. Cheapest SR5 in my dealer start at $52k. Corporate greed also plays its part.

 

Just curious to what you think they went backwards on? Besides price increase and some features not being standard like on the previous gen, what has gone back on the new gen?

People tend to forget that the truck was completely redesigned from the ground up. You are not just paying for the truck, you are paying for the R&D that went into the truck. You are paying for the supply chain employees to source these parts from various manufacturers all over the world. Freight cost to get those parts to the manufacturing facility. You are paying for the assembly workers who build these trucks and maintain the facilities and machines these trucks are built in. A lot a cost analysis goes into determining the price of what these trucks cost while they make a profit and keep investors happy. Increase in cost all across the board from paying workers more to parts costing more to freight being more expensive. Yea I get the trucks are extremely expensive and no one wants to lose features that were once standard, but at the end of the day, Toyota probably conducted surveys to see what people could live without in order to keep cost of the base model trucks down enough to not lose money.

 

What metrics is that calculator using for inflation? Surely its not using the governments' official numbers which are complete BS? New vehicle prices are up an average of about 20% since the start of 2020.

 

It's not what I think, it's what did. Power seat, standard on SR5, no more=backwrads. Bigger turning Radius=backwards, smaller interior room on DC=backwards, 4wd axles weaker, unless you upgrade, was standard on previous gen=backwards, no tow hooks=backwards, no step when tailgate is open=backwards. TSS 3.0 was out, but they decided 2.5 was better. We will give you 3.0 in a couple of years and call it an advancement and charge you a premium. They took a page out of Apples play book. List goes on. Plenty of videos showing the backwardness of many things. You can argue all you want, I dont see a need to make something less capable when your starting from a clean sheet of paper with proven stuff that works. As for your other comment, I revert back to what I wrote.

 

Looked a several sites. As for what is real or not, who knows. As for 20% average you said they went up, well you made my case. Like I said I paid $39k OTD for a SR5, so your 20%, it should cost me $46,800 for a similar equipped SR5. That isn't happening. Maybe in the near future, MAYBE, we will see more sensible prices, but I doubt it. Remember also, just because its priced that way, doesn't mean it's worth it.

 

but how is it less capable when the payload and towing is higher then before, all while riding and pulling better?

 

I wasn’t arguing, I was just general curious. Cause I read all the post and you only mentioned the seats so I just wanted to see what else was downgraded overall. I’m not going to argue against which is the better gen and there are pros and cons to both. 2nd gen was dated but very reliable and 3rd gen brings a lot of tech to the tundra but will reliability be compromised in the future? Maybe, but I think it’s too early to tell.

Thanks for breaking it out and explaining what you meant, most people would have just disregarded the post and moved on.

I do know that compared to my 3rd gen Tacoma I feel the 3rd gen tundra is light years ahead in comfort, power, and tech. But if they were still offering the 2nd gen tundra for sale when I traded my Tacoma in I would have bought one no problem. I needed a bigger truck and a longer bed so Toyota has always gotten me to my destination and I never had to worry so naturally I drifted towards the tundra. I really didn’t even consider any of the other trucks at the time and knew I wouldn’t be happy in one of them. But the new tundra has more features than I know what to do with and glad I am in a position where I can afford one!

 

It's not less capable, if that's what you understood then my bad. Numbers wise, yes, it's more capable. On some features, it went backwards. I also have my reservations about those tow numbers. To me 12,000lbs for a 1/2 is a bit much, but that's just me. I would move up to a 3/4 if I towed that much. Chevy is up to 13k or 14k if I recall.