2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Is that max capacity for the lower powered SR?
Actually you're probably over limit with those 37's
Am I too new for this type of banter?
I'll go back to my corner now......

 

I hate this place.

 

Seconded. The only reason the Ford 5.0 still exists is for the people who just won't move on from "V8 Good, Turbo Bad".

I would actually say a 2.7 would be good to consider for this use case. I had one and loved it. They are probably the most reliable engine Ford has made in years, too. You almost never hear of a 2.7 with significant issues.

 

*In the F-150. Bronco had some problems

 

Yeah I thought that too on the 2.7 until this recall in the fall. Mostly Broncos like Bannerman said but some F150s too.
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/10/02...uments posted by,liter and 3.0-liter EcoBoost

 

Cool story bro

 

Turbo V8 great?

 

I am thinking Ford offers offers too many F150 powertrains and maybe maintaining qc on all these different things is not efficient or cost effective.

Do one One NA 6, one TT6, one V8 or Hight outputnTT6. But I know the 2.7 probably helps keep the mpg averages up and can help get buyers who don't need motor bragging rights into otherwise decently equipped trucks less expensively.

 

brb looking for a drooling meme

 

Well I mean, they are down to just three now at least. 2.7TT, 3.5TT, 5.0. I guess five though if you count the Hybrid and HO as separate powerplants though I'd just consider them variations of the 3.5 TT

 

I should add that the outgoing NA 6 was a dog, I sold a small boat to a friend last year with that engine and he said it's rough when he has to tow more than across town. And that boat can't weigh much more than 4000.

 

The 2.7 is the sales leader by quite a bit. It's really common on XLTs. I don't think we'll see that go any time soon.

 

It's the base engine now for F-150

 

I remember reading on the Bronco forums that this was more of a bad batch of valves, and I think is resolved by now.

So far the 2.7 in my bronco has been nice to me.

 

I drove a 4dr 4wd 2.7 back in 2016. (Tinted the windows on it) Anyway, it surprised the crap out of me. It was a brand new truck , so I didn't get on it past 1/2 throttle. Could of swore it was a 3.5 till I popped the hood. I still wouldn't buy one though.

 

I had a 2.7, a 3.5, and now a PowerBoost. The turbos on the 2.7 spool super low and it's really quick off the line - maybe even a bit quicker to accelerate than the 3.5 at low speeds. The 3.5's extra power is mostly evident when passing or towing.

The negative to the 2.7 is Ford puts it on a lighter duty frame which significantly lowers payload and towing numbers.

 

I remember watching the first tests by media (forget who) of the 2.7L when it first came out, and IIRC, the guy testing it was commenting on the speed of the 3.5L, and I think he got 6 something...and then laid down serious rubber when taking off with the 2.7L. I distinctly remember him yelling "Holy cow!"

I know a few people with the F150 with the 2.7L; all of them tow, but not a ton. If I was looking for an F150 and didn't tow all that heavy all that often, I'd have NO issues owning the 2.7L. It's supposed to be pretty reliable.

Found it. . 3.5L 'take off' is around 4:30 and the 2.7L is around 5:55.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23O-hS-r0gQ

 

As someone suggested above, the 2.7s spool sooner than the 3.5 so it’s pretty quick off the line. The 3.5 is almost “detuned” by comparison, it leaves a ton on the table as we have seen when they are tuned, probably for gas mileage. The 3.5 is enough to move the truck in normal driving with little to no turbo boost.

 

The Tremor (not hybrid) is slightly faster than the hybrid Tundra.

The F-150 PowerBoost is a little faster than the Tremor, granted with no A/Ts but even with equal tires I suspect it would maintain a slight edge.

 

just cause that’s the peak doesn’t mean it’s not making 409 ft-lbs at 3000 rpm though.

my understanding is the 2018+ 5.0 picked up a considerable amount of low end torque.

 

Everybody wanna joke about the SR until it’s time to do SR shit.

Shot a 300lb boar in the nastiest, most difficult place to get to and the SR got me there and home AS USUAL. I did bend the driver’s side door a little as I was backing up with it open though.

@vorkuta775 @PBNB @Mattedfred be thankful these nasty destructive guys aren’t where you live. You have my SR to thank!

 

interesting.

F150 max weight - 5000 lbs
Tundra max weight - 5600 lbs

Thats a helluva lot of weight difference. People never really discuss this except in passing. You would think with such an emphasis on MPG that the Tundra would have lost weight. I have driven two Tundras and there is no way to drive without boost especially if there is a fat pig on board. The family member that had both the 3.5 and the 2.7 F150's never towed, was a long distance commuter. The lighter frame still gave him the utility he needed, and he loved the gas mileage. Canada Gas prices.

I did ask him about driving the F150 3.5 L without boost. He said yeah it can be done but it would not be very much fun.

 

They got rid of the NA 6 for 2024 AFAIK and the 2.7L is the base motor, similar to GM. I believe the 3.5L HO is now essentially the same motor as the base 3.5L. It used to have a lower compression ratio but that is no longer true. I think the only major difference is in the tuning and possibly slightly different turbos. But I have also heard 2021+ regular 3.5L are making more power on the stock turbos then 2018-2020 trucks so those may even be the same now too.

Thing is, Ford is almost pumping out as many of each engine as Toyota makes Tundras a year so it certainly seems justifiable. I actually was just having a conversation on the F150 forum the other day where someone was asking about the distribution of engines and so I used car gurus to see what was available on lots:

2.7L = 32%
3.5L = 27%
3.5L PB = 15%
5.0L = 25%

 

Fuck yeah! I wanna come play sometime

 

A fully loaded F150 4x4 supercrew 3.5L is ~5500 lbs. I suspect a fully loaded Tundra non-iforce max is probably a little heavier than 5600 lbs. I think I had figured equally optioned trucks were about 300 lbs different between the two.

That said, my 2014 F150 3.5L was 6200 lbs empty and with my leer topper was around 6400 lbs. Even on 35's, it would drive around in normal driving with no boost unless I was accelerating or climbing a grade. On a flat road at 60 mph it would be around -3.00 psi in the manifold.

 

I am very skeptical about these numbers especially payload numbers. The point being there is no way to do a normal drive without boost in a Tundra, but apparently it can be done in an F150.

 

Im not saying it never goes into boost in a normal drive, but even if it does, so what? My F150 wouldnt drop the AFR until about 330 ft-lbs of torque or about 7 psi. Its not like boost automatically hurts MPG

 

The year that F-150 went to aluminum body panels they also beefed up the frame quite a bit and still managed to shave something like 600 pounds off the previous gen. One of the main reasons the new Tundra was not even an option for me, the payload is just too low. When I compare my Tremor to a similarly optioned TRD Pro, I have 350-400 more payload. My boat trailer tongue weight is 380 pounds. So I have the same payload with the boat as an unloaded Pro.

 

That weight is overstated I believe. Per the CAT scale, my fully loaded truck is 5840 but that is with 35"s, and 400+ pounds of bedcover and gear.